Just to get the ball rolling.

Former Police Officer Recalls Reptilian Encounters, Sightings

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... calls.html

Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati Clicky

Some serious madness here; for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C9zvqtpbAo

Illuminati song by fat boy slim

"illuminati, a secret society DO exist"

why does he sing about something that apparently doesnt exist and claim they do exist? it doesnt make sense

Dunno Bratty, the same could be said of thousands who do the same every Sunday.

Ok, how about I bring it back down to Earth a little.

Re-watched V for Vendetta last night for the 4th time. Does anyone believe that what goes on in the film is possible in the UK that we live in?

Or do I have to mention the Illuminati for my post to count in this thread?

You just did. (8+)
Have you seen/heard about what's going on in Bangkok at the moment?
It only takes a little civil unrest to escalate in to something much more profound before something like the vision of the V for Vendetta film becomes real.

Mark

All it needs is a microphone left on a Prime Minister during a walkabout with voters!

I've been keeping an eye on that situation via Al Jazeera. It's been slowly deteriorating for a couple of years though. I think it's important to remember that whatever you believe regarding secret societies etc. there are signs everywhere, that things are not right in this world. This conflict between ordinary people because of politics is one of them.

I love that film and know it pretty well, but I found something even more interesting last night. The use of violence as a tool for "good". Good and evil as concepts is a whole different discussion. However, I found V's position on violence fascinating. It reminds me of the devout government man in Serenity, who chases River. He tells Mal that they are the same and when things change there will no longer be a place for either of them. Both he and V are skilled combatants, but both acknowledge their place in the universe and that it will come to an end. Yoda once said that "war not make one great". I wonder what most people would think about that...

V understands his role and plays it to perfection to allow the next era to move on and take their roles in the development of the "new" UK. That made me think about Che and how he played his role and when he had achieved something, life went on without him.

All around us there is hate and fear and most of it is perpetuated by governments and corporations to control us. Whether you believe in symbols, masons, or anything else, it's difficult to be completely oblivious to the level of control that we are under (and how much we pay for the privilege). I wonder whether the people of this forum would be interested in discussion that. Perhaps now there is a thread for such things, I have found a new way to be ignored. Perhaps not......

Violence is always the last resort. Sometimes all the intervening steps are removed and violence is the first course of action, but it still remains the last resort.
I'm not massively familiar with the film but didn't V only turn to violence because the people were no longer being listened to?
When there exists a huge shift in stability between two different states there will always be violence. It's maintaining that status quo that keeps the subjects docile enough to not need to resort to violence that's broken down in Bangkok (as well as the world of V).
With the current world economic crisis it'll not take much to push society over the edge and in to violence, in my opinion.
Perhaps I too have found another outlet where I can be ignored. (8+)

Mark

Well V is violent to help society but also to achieve his own vengeance, he kills people who destroyed is life. So he is a hero, but he isn't a good person.

No doubt I'll give up again soon Mark



I think that's a little sweeping. As he rightly points out, for every action there is an equal an opposite reaction. MacGyver was also fond of this principle and my Sensai says that one should be careful of victory, for with it comes the desire for vengeance in the vanquished. Funny how paraphrased Japanese translations sound like something V would say

Monstrous things were done to him, so he became a monster. I believe "good" is an arbitrary concept. He did what he felt was necessary to advance his country. He acted in the interests of the people. His methods may have been controversial, but it's surely too simple to say he isn't a good person.

He still took his revenge and killed people for his own gratification, when they could have been exposed or ridiculed i guess.

That's what I liked about that film.

People aren't either 'good' or 'bad', people do both good and bad things.

That film has been on my "to watch" list since I first discovered I'd missed it at the cinema. I must make an effort to find it and watch it.

My general thoughts are that society en masse tends towards violence more easily and readily than an individual or small group. You only have to look at the people who take advantage of natural disasters to loot and steal to see how quickly "civilised society" breaks down in a crisis. I think humans are predisposed to violence, it is the ultimate closer to a lot of tense situations and we've seen time and time again how people use violence to get themselves or their cause noticed.

I'm not sure about the using violence for good idea, I don't know how it can ever been properly "good" although I have a dim recollection of a movie I've seen with a guy who is wronged by a criminal mastermind who's network of evil runs deeply through their society, he takes it all on single-handedly and takes back his city from the grips of the bad people. I suppose in that instance the cry of "greater good" goes up. It's like the Batman/Punisher side of things, it is revenge, but it's measured revenge and only against the people who deserve it.

So, here's one: Do you believe in "Evil" as an inherent thing or person or being? I tend towards the belief that there is no such thing as evil, there is only intent. Sometimes bad things happen as a result of actions, even when the intent is good.