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Who will you vote for at the Election
Labour 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Conservative 24%  24%  [ 11 ]
Liberal Democrat 50%  50%  [ 23 ]
National Parties (SNP, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Féin, English Democrats etc) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
UKIP (or other anti-EU parties) 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Green (or other Eco-friendly party) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Religious Parties (eg Christian Peoples, Islamic Party of Britain etc) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Independent candidate 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Pie 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 46

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BBC debate was a cross between Songs of Praise and Over the Rainbow

Charlie Brooker

If the leadership debates were supermarkets – which they're not – ITV's would be Tesco, Sky's would be Morrisons, and the BBC's offering would be Waitrose. The ITV debate felt like a 1990s gameshow whose rules required Alastair Stewart to bellow "Mr Clegg!", "Mr Brown!" or "Mr Cameron!" every thirty seconds; the Sky studio was a poky black cave cluttered with discarded British Airways tail fins and dwarfed by an immense Sky logo. With its mix of cavernous space and high-tech backdrops, the BBC debate resembled a cross between Songs of Praise and current Saturday night talent-show splurge Over the Rainbow: I half expected the loser to hand his shoes to Dimbleby at the end before jetting off into the sky on a rocket-powered podium.

The chief topic was the economy, a subject upon which I have such a poor grasp that from my ignorant perspective all three men may as well have been debating the best way to kidnap a space wraith. Cameron proposed 'efficiency savings' which seemed to boil down to a war on unnecessary leaflets; Brown boomed that this would shrink the economy by £6bn and risk a double-dip recession. Clegg didn't care what happened as long as it was fair. He proposed some kind of cross-party economic fairness committee which, as secret fellowships go, sounds about as much fun as a cardboard-licking party.

Clegg was big on fairness generally. Fairness and difference. He used so many distancing tactics – references to "these two", phrases like "there they go again", constant calls to "get beyond political point-scoring" – he may as well have thrown in a "hark at these arseholes" at the end for good measure. It's a tactic that largely works: he sometimes came across as a slightly exasperated translator sadly explaining to his fellow earthmen in the audience that these two visiting Gallifreyan dignitaries were well-meaning but essentially wrong.

Brown's ears are amazing. I think they're made out of sausages. And he still can't smile properly, which is hardly surprisinggiven his ongoing luck allergy. Following the overblown 'bigotgate' media piss-fight, which saw him force-fed fistfuls of shame, it was vaguely impressive to see him standing at a podium instead of screaming on a ledge. Just as Cameron likes to shoehorn the "change" meme into every sentence (or rather did, before Cleggmania flared up), so Brown mentioned "the same old Conservative Party" so many times he began to sound like a novelty anti-Tory talking keyring.

According to some polls, Cameron won, or at the very least tied with Clegg. Which is odd, because to my biased eyes, he looked hilariously worried whenever the others were talking. He often wore a face like the Fat Controller trying to wee through a Hula Hoop without splashing the sides, in fact. Perhaps that's just the expression he pulls when he's concentrating, in which case it's fair to say he'd be the first prime minister in history who could look inadvertently funny while pushing the nuclear button.


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By the way, Brooker's part of some anti-election thing on Channel 4, presumably on the 6th ;)

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The ones with Cameron barely needed much alteration! All were good though.

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One of the guys I worked with in Sun lives a little outside Aberystwyth, he's posted an interesting article on his blog about how people might choose a party based purely on their logo:
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Election 2010: Which leader's public persona do you prefer?

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One of the most fascinating sights I've witnessed thus far during the coverage of the 2010 election campaign is Gordon Brown's visit to a branch of Tesco in Hastings on 16 April, which was broadcast live and uninterrupted for about five minutes on Sky News.

"Hello, good to see you," says Gordon, shaking someone's hand. "It's great to be here," he continues, waving at a well-wisher. He looks around. "This is a good store, isn't it?" he enquires of no one in particular. He spots a young boy. "How old are you?" he asks. The boy is eight. "That's a good age," Gordon concludes. "Which football team do you support?"

As he continues walking through the supermarket, the pictures carry on moving, but the sound appears to be stuck on a loop, because Gordon's repeating the same words. "Hello, good to see you." "It's great to be here." "This is a good store, isn't it?" "How old are you?" "That's a good age." "Which football team do you support?" The same handful of phrases, over and over again, for five minutes.

When you watch the footage repeatedly, as I have, distinct patterns start to emerge. Throughout the visit, Brown looks marginally less comfortable than a horse crossing a rope bridge, and his internal dialogue tree is starkly visible. Whenever he meets a boy of eight years old or older, for instance, Gordon briefly asks which football team they support, then chuckles, whatever the answer, before moving on to say "Hello, good to see you" to someone else. That's the way he's been programmed. (He occasionally breaks up his repetitive mantra with brief statements of the obvious: at one point, he glances at a shelf full of produce and says, "There's a lot of produce here." It almost makes you wish he was being shown around an orgy instead. Almost.)

The footage is funny, yet somehow heartbreaking. Brown looks clumsy, ungainly and chronically unsure how to behave around everyday shoppers. He reminds me of me. I can scarcely look people in the eye in supermarkets either. But I've learned to survive in demanding public situations – such as standing in front of an audience of expectant strangers – by adopting a babbling, deliberately awkward, vaguely nihilistic persona that is 50% me and 50% comic construct.

It's a shield of radioactive [LIFTED] that hopefully provides just enough entertainment value to stop the crowd physically attacking me, and just enough psychological distance to stop me crumpling to the floor and ripping my own face off at the sheer uncomfortable weirdness of it all.

Thing is, this performance wouldn't withstand five minutes of serious scrutiny. I could open a supermarket, no problem, but sit me opposite a combative Jeremy Paxman and I'd have a massive nervous breakdown within five minutes. With Brown, it's the other way around. In the supermarket, he looked so anxious I half-expected him to climb inside a freezer compartment and refuse to come out until everyone else had left. In his interview with Paxman, held in the wake of the preposterous Bigotgate storm and a widely criticised final debate, he was frighteningly confident. At times, he even seemed to be enjoying himself. Technical in the social situation, sociable in the technical situation? That's the hallmark of a nerd. And most nerds are simply too gawky – gawky, not aloof – to connect with the general public.

So he's not endearing. The press held up Brown's Bigotgate outburst as evidence that he's two-faced and contemptuous of everyday people, especially those who mention immigration, a subject so taboo in modern Britain that even fearless defenders of free speech such as the Mail and the Express only dare mention it in hushed capitals tucked away on the front page of every edition.

Two-faced contempt is the basic mode of operation for many newspapers: mindwarping [LIFTED] filled with selective reporting and audacious bias. The popular press is a shrill, idiotic, bullying echo chamber; a hopelessly poisoned Petri dish in which our politicians seem resigned to grow. Little wonder they develop glaringly artificial public guises. Picking a modern leader boils down to a question of which false persona you prefer. At least Brown's is almost admirably crap. It's easy to see through it and catch hints of something awkwardly, weakly human beneath.

Clegg's persona is roughly 50% daytime soap, 40% human, and 10% statesman. Cameron is 100% something. He isn't even a man; more a texture-mapped character model. There's a different kind of software at work here, some advanced alien technology projecting a passable simulation of affability; a straight-to-DVD retread of the Blair ascendancy re-enacted by androids. Like an ostensibly realistic human character in a state-of-the-art CGI cartoon, he's almost convincing – assuming you can ignore the shrieking, cavernous lack of anything approaching a soul. Which you can't.

I see the sheen, the electronic calm, those tiny, expressionless eyes . . . I glimpse the outlines of the cloaking device and I instinctively recoil, like a baby tasting mould. Don't get me wrong. I don't see a power-crazed despot either. I almost wish I did. Instead, I see an avatar. A simulated man with a simulated face. A humanoid. A replicant. An Auton. A construct. A Carlton PR man who's arrived to run the country, and currently stands before us, blinking patiently, blank yet alert, quietly awaiting commencement of phase two. At which point, presumably, his real face may finally become visible.

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Cameron is 100% something. He isn't even a man; more a texture-mapped character model. There's a different kind of software at work here, some advanced alien technology projecting a passable simulation of affability; a straight-to-DVD retread of the Blair ascendancy re-enacted by androids. Like an ostensibly realistic human character in a state-of-the-art CGI cartoon, he's almost convincing – assuming you can ignore the shrieking, cavernous lack of anything approaching a soul. Which you can't.

He is like a clone of Tony and we all hate Tony now so why do the Tories still emulate him? Cameron does not feel genuine, it is all presentation and style over substance. What ever your feelings about Gordon, he is at least genuine, warts and all.

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At this point it's either going to be a hung parliament or a Tory win.
I'd say it's worth voting Tory to avoid a hung parliament. Having one of those wouldn't do the country any good at all!

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At this point it's either going to be a hung parliament or a Tory win.
I'd say it's worth voting Tory to avoid a hung parliament. Having one of those wouldn't do the country any good at all!


You could argue having a Tory majority government might be worse than a hung parliament...

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l3v1ck wrote:
At this point it's either going to be a hung parliament or a Tory win.
I'd say it's worth voting Tory to avoid a hung parliament. Having one of those wouldn't do the country any good at all!


You could argue having a Tory majority government might be worse than a hung parliament...

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I would rather a hung parliament where nothing too stupid gets done. Germany has been run by coalitions for decades and has the strongest economy in Europe. Japan with a first past the post system has been run by consensual power for the last 60 years, even though one party ran the country single handed for much of that period. So consensus politics is not a bad thing.

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I would rather a hung parliament where nothing too stupid gets done.
Where nothing gets done at all more like. Scheming politicians double dealing and back stabbing rather than representing us, which is what they're there to do.

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I would rather a hung parliament where nothing too stupid gets done.
Where nothing gets done at all more like.


Well, let's wait and see. I fear the right wing press has been scaremongering a little more than is good for a democracy.

Bear in mind that several major world economies (and many minor ones) have managed quite well with "balanced" governments. New Zealand is held as a shining example, and Germany hasn't exactly been an economic basket case.

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I would rather a hung parliament where nothing too stupid gets done.
Where nothing gets done at all more like. Scheming politicians double dealing and back stabbing rather than representing us, which is what they're there to do.


They won't represent us regardless. So who gives a [LIFTED]? "Hung parliament" is a deliberately pejorative term. I'm bored of it now. Anybody who thinks that any change of colour at Westminster will make a positive difference to our lives is deluded.


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I would rather a hung parliament where nothing too stupid gets done.
Where nothing gets done at all more like. Scheming politicians double dealing and back stabbing rather than representing us, which is what they're there to do.

If they do not do their job then if there is another election they could lose their seat in a second election if they push for one.

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At this point it's either going to be a hung parliament or a Tory win.
I'd say it's worth voting Tory to avoid a hung parliament. Having one of those wouldn't do the country any good at all!

One of the most nonsensical things I've heard TBH.

A hung parliament and a coalition may be just what the system needs at the moment, especially if it means a change to a Parliamentary system that can see a majority government stand with less than half of the population wishing to see them there.

I remember the last Tory Government, 50p an hour wages and riots. There's no way I would vote Tory just to avoid a situation that people have an irrational fear about.

Edit: And while we're on it I'm sick of Cameron going on about 'broken' Britain, most of it's not so sod off. As for this continuous want for everybody to have a 'choice', no, I want to choose which MPs govern and then I want them to make sure all schools, hospitals, police forces etc are of an equally high standard throughout the country.

His 'choice' implies allowing substandard services in order for that 'choice' to exist.

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l3v1ck wrote:
At this point it's either going to be a hung parliament or a Tory win.
I'd say it's worth voting Tory to avoid a hung parliament. Having one of those wouldn't do the country any good at all!

One of the most nonsensical things I've heard TBH.

A hung parliament and a coalition may be just what the system needs at the moment, especially if it means a change to a Parliamentary system that can see a majority government stand with less than half of the population wishing to see them there.

I remember the last Tory Government, 50p an hour wages and riots. There's no way I would vote Tory just to avoid a situation that people have an irrational fear about.

Edit: And while we're on it I'm sick of Cameron going on about 'broken' Britain, most of it's not so sod off. As for this continuous want for everybody to have a 'choice', no, I want to choose which MPs govern and then I want them to make sure all schools, hospitals, police forces etc are of an equally high standard throughout the country.

His 'choice' implies allowing substandard services in order for that 'choice' to exist.

It was the Tories who broke Britain. Many of the problems were simply papered over by New Labour who carried on the Tory policies and went even further than the Tories. The two big parties do not care about the policies needed to rebuild the country We need an industrial policy to build up our manufacturing industry and create apprenticeships.

The Tories Big Society policy is a complete waste of time when it was the Tories who broke society with a me first culture probably most typified by the "Loads of Money" character. The Tories still have a me first culture and will abolish the minimum wage, which is the only thing that has given many pay increases. Before there used to be wages councils, now they need the minimum wage.

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