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Why are they not being given incentives to start shipping by rail again that could make it cheaper for them like it used to be?

Maybe because, in two years time, the West coast main line will be full.

As in at maximum capacity

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Just seems like sense to me, or am I missing something?


Just the massively powerful Road Transport Association - or is the Freight Transport Association? - and their various links to certain members of previous Conservative administrations.

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Just the massively powerful Road Transport Association - or is the Freight Transport Association? - and their various links to certain members of previous Conservative administrations.

Yes, but are "We"?

Are you planning on keeping it the same way when you're in power HK just so you get free RAC cover? Eh? Spit it out! Answer the question!

* goes into a Boulton mental rant *

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I'm a rail fan. I don't think I need to add anything further. 8-)

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Talking of transport...

Cargo was shipped by train until the 70s when it became cheaper to move by road. Lorries are a pain, especially when overtaking at 1mph more than another lorry, and trash the roads more than cars. Why are they not being given incentives to start shipping by rail again that could make it cheaper for them like it used to be?

That would lighten the load on the roads, both physically and finacially, provide more investment into the rail infrastructure, reduce costs for haulage companies, and in the same breath add to the 'green' initiative for them and in a domino effect for the public who may be more inclided to sometimes use an improved train service rather than a car?

Just seems like sense to me, or am I missing something?

Yes but the problem is that road users do not pay the full costs of the road network, no matter how much they think that they do. We could do with a higher green tax on freight to encourage a switch to rail or even canal.

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Marklar could make a come-back as press communications officer? :lol:

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adidan wrote:
Talking of transport...

Cargo was shipped by train until the 70s when it became cheaper to move by road. Lorries are a pain, especially when overtaking at 1mph more than another lorry, and trash the roads more than cars. Why are they not being given incentives to start shipping by rail again that could make it cheaper for them like it used to be?

That would lighten the load on the roads, both physically and finacially, provide more investment into the rail infrastructure, reduce costs for haulage companies, and in the same breath add to the 'green' initiative for them and in a domino effect for the public who may be more inclided to sometimes use an improved train service rather than a car?

Just seems like sense to me, or am I missing something?

Yes but the problem is that road users do not pay the full costs of the road network, no matter how much they think that they do. We could do with a higher green tax on freight to encourage a switch to rail or even canal.


Is it me, or have people actually started thinking about policy? Did the department for Culture not get that memo??


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Amnesia10 wrote:
adidan wrote:
Talking of transport...

Cargo was shipped by train until the 70s when it became cheaper to move by road. Lorries are a pain, especially when overtaking at 1mph more than another lorry, and trash the roads more than cars. Why are they not being given incentives to start shipping by rail again that could make it cheaper for them like it used to be?

That would lighten the load on the roads, both physically and finacially, provide more investment into the rail infrastructure, reduce costs for haulage companies, and in the same breath add to the 'green' initiative for them and in a domino effect for the public who may be more inclided to sometimes use an improved train service rather than a car?

Just seems like sense to me, or am I missing something?

Yes but the problem is that road users do not pay the full costs of the road network, no matter how much they think that they do. We could do with a higher green tax on freight to encourage a switch to rail or even canal.


Is it me, or have people actually started thinking about policy? Did the department for Culture not get that memo??


You'll have fun when people start discussing the licence fee :shock: :lol: ;)

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Easy abolish the license fee, it is a regressive tax and is just that, just another tax. Let it get paid for out of general taxation. It would save hundreds of millions in collection and that money could be used for broadband investment.

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Did the department for Culture not get that memo??
Ohhh that's us!

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We've got plenty of potential ambassadors, Lacloss, big_D, Snowy depending on his current location...

Sas as minister for technology?

Mark and Oke as our joint arts and culture folk?

As I'm tight-fisted I wanna be chancellor in these tough economic times - don't be surprised if my expense claims contain a lot of Coca-cola and comics though :oops: ;)


Whilst I'm sure I could work well with the egg and I appreciate the nod, am I not a somewhat controversial choice for any kind of publicly visible position??


I forgot to get back to you on this :oops:

Why would you be controversial? Though I did have a notion of you and Mark trying to make Star Wars compulsory in schools :lol:

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I did have a notion of you and Mark trying to make Star Wars compulsory in schools :lol:
You may laugh now …

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I did have a notion of you and Mark trying to make Star Wars compulsory in schools :lol:
You may laugh now …

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Be careful what you wish for - the prequels could be your Book of Revelations-style controversy :lol:

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adidan wrote:
Talking of transport...

Cargo was shipped by train until the 70s when it became cheaper to move by road. Lorries are a pain, especially when overtaking at 1mph more than another lorry, and trash the roads more than cars. Why are they not being given incentives to start shipping by rail again that could make it cheaper for them like it used to be?

That would lighten the load on the roads, both physically and finacially, provide more investment into the rail infrastructure, reduce costs for haulage companies, and in the same breath add to the 'green' initiative for them and in a domino effect for the public who may be more inclided to sometimes use an improved train service rather than a car?

Just seems like sense to me, or am I missing something?

Yes but the problem is that road users do not pay the full costs of the road network, no matter how much they think that they do. We could do with a higher green tax on freight to encourage a switch to rail or even canal.


I think you'll find that motorists pay a lot more than is spent on the roads.

"Since 1997 Labour has been on the lucrative receiving end of colossal increases in tax receipts after millions of additional motorists have qualified to drive and purchased cars/fuel/insurance weighed down by VAT or other taxes. But the size of the major road network has increased in size by a paltry one per cent during the decade and a bit that the party has been in power.

Less than 20 per cent of the £50bn we cough up annually in motoring tax is returned to us via safer, smoother, wider or fresher roads. To put that another way, most of the £6.2bn Labour grosses a year in VAT on vehicles, plus the further £2.6bn it grabs in "company car tax" is reinvested in the network.

But the £5bn plus it makes in VED, plus the £36bn or more it trousers in VAT and other taxes on fuel is sheer "profit" which is free to be spent on other, non-car-related items."

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