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Ambassadorial crime sprees: foreign embassy staff exempted from charges

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/2 ... pt-charges

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They have been caught shoplifting and drink-driving, been accused of robbery and human trafficking, and two notable "offenders" each owe £3m in congestion charge fines. But instead of facing the full weight of the law this privileged group have got off scot-free.

Foreign embassy staff been exempted from a range of serious charges that in normal cases would have carried a penalty of at least 12 months in prison, according to figures released in parliament today.

Five diplomats have escaped shoplifting charges since 2005, including an official from the Gambian embassy caught last year, a staffer at the Cameroonian embassy in 2008, and one member of each of the Egyptian, Equatorial Guinean and Zambian embassies accused in 2005.

But perhaps the single biggest offender – albeit on less serious allegations – is the US, which has run up £3,821,880 in unpaid fines incurred in a seven-year diplomatic stand-off over the congestion charge.

There are 25,000 embassy staff and their dependents in the UK covered by diplomatic immunity: over the past five years there were 78 exemptions from serious charges.

One member from each of the Brazilian, German, US and Russian embassies were caught drink-driving but released without charge this year.

Diplomats or their dependents from Saudi Arabia and one from Sierra Leone were alleged to have been involved in human trafficking, and one from Saudi Arabia was accused of sexual assault.

A member of the Pakistan embassy was accused of threatening to kill, and one from Cameroon accused of neglect of a young person.

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I think I'm right in saying that we can't charge them, but we can eject them from the country.

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If you can't charge them for a crime then you can still kick them out of the country.


I remember reading about the US congestion charge avoidance a few years ago. Perhaps BP should consider the same defence in light of compensation.

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I think I'm right in saying that we can't charge them, but we can eject them from the country.

Make it mandatory. Not paid a parking ticket or congestion charge, next plane back home, including their family.

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A tad harsh, I think there Amnesia!

A three strikes rule would be a little fairer I think.

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A tad harsh, I think there Amnesia!

A three strikes rule would be a little fairer I think.


As a diplomat you represent your country. Your behaviour should exceed the local standards.

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A tad harsh, I think there Amnesia!

A three strikes rule would be a little fairer I think.


As a diplomat you represent your country. Your behaviour should exceed the local standards.

Yes but it would also apply to our embassy staff abroad. If they paid the fines then it should be acceptable. I cant see why it should be paid by the Foreign Office.

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A tad harsh, I think there Amnesia!

A three strikes rule would be a little fairer I think.

I think that depends on the crime, and how quickly the policy was implemented. Sending someone home tomorrow for a parking offence would be a little harsh, given that it is totally accepted as normal behaviour for a lot of people. They'd need a warning first. However, that's a pretty damning list of crimes:
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drink-driving
human trafficking
sexual assault
threatening to kill
neglect of a young person

I don't think "three strikes" would be called for if we're talking about murder and rape.

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Oh absolutely - I was talking about the parking and speeding fines in particular.

There's no question in my mind that the criminal offenses you listed certainly demand sending someone home, and even banning them from the UK all together.

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Must suck to be the police in this situation.
"Sorry, we can't charge the man who raped you. He has diplomatic immunity."
Sucks to be the victim too for that matter.

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I'm wondering why "diplomatic immunity" even exists in it's present form.

I can understand wanting to "play nice" with diplomats for the sake of international relations, but when a crime is a crime in both our country and theirs I can see no justification for letting them off.

Or maybe sexual assault is not a crime in Saudi Arabia? It wouldn't entirely surprise me. Some cultures do have a very different perspective with the regard to the value of women...

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Oh absolutely - I was talking about the parking and speeding fines in particular.

There's no question in my mind that the criminal offenses you listed certainly demand sending someone home, and even banning them from the UK all together.

Yes but if they pay the fine within the same time frame as ordinary citizens then they should be fine.

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Let's try looking at it from the other perspective.
So, are we willing to abide by the rules of a foreign power?
Be subject to the local laws and taxes, as well as the nation who employs you? What happens when they're in conflict?
Diplomatic staff are meant to tread with tact and care in the service of their home nations.
Whilst they may not have been punished by our government, I'd hope that their own nations had a 'quiet word'.

Yes, I'm essentially saying it's like your children's friends round for tea, and little Jimmy deliberately breaks something. You might shout and yell at him, but you'll more than likely tell his parents when they collect him. Who'll probably tell him off. He is, after all, their child and not yours. It's up to them to impose discipline.

Yet again, politics can be so easily reduced to the school playground.

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I'm wondering why "diplomatic immunity" even exists in it's present form.

I can understand wanting to "play nice" with diplomats for the sake of international relations, but when a crime is a crime in both our country and theirs I can see no justification for letting them off.

Or maybe sexual assault is not a crime in Saudi Arabia? It wouldn't entirely surprise me. Some cultures do have a very different perspective with the regard to the value of women...

Saudi Arabia? It is only a crime to be raped there.... the woman shouldnt have made herself look so beautiful, obviously her fault :x

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Not just Saudi but all the extreme Islamic states, like Afghanistan, Yemen, Nigeria, and a few others. Though they have been involved in human trafficking as well. Smuggling is a minor problem in comparison.

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