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I think this is a bad idea it doesn't afford students much flexibility. Not many students are going to choose 3/4/5 courses from the off without wanting to change at least 1 of them further down the line. Unfortunately under these proposals, students will be unable to ditch subjects without losing all their progress and without spending another year at college before gaining their qualification.

Nobody is entitled to a qualification. For any course with a qualification at the end, the rules and requirements are laid out at the beginning, be they coursework or exams or a mix of both and what aspects of study will be covered. If you can't hack it, it's nobody's fault but yours. There's no reason I can see that courses should be flexible.

The job of qualified courses is to provide all those participating with a trusted measure of their competence on a standardised, objective level. Everyone does the same thing, in the same time period and does the same tests under the same conditions. Anything else is just a waste of everyone's time. You might as well just hand the certificates out at the beginning and all go off for tea & cakes.

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I don't see why the current system is such a problem?

It's the way Universities work, so surely it's good preparation?

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I think this is a bad idea it doesn't afford students much flexibility. Not many students are going to choose 3/4/5 courses from the off without wanting to change at least 1 of them further down the line. Unfortunately under these proposals, students will be unable to ditch subjects without losing all their progress and without spending another year at college before gaining their qualification.

Nobody is entitled to a qualification. For any course with a qualification at the end, the rules and requirements are laid out at the beginning, be they coursework or exams or a mix of both and what aspects of study will be covered. If you can't hack it, it's nobody's fault but yours. There's no reason I can see that courses should be flexible.

The job of qualified courses is to provide all those participating with a trusted measure of their competence on a standardised, objective level. Everyone does the same thing, in the same time period and does the same tests under the same conditions. Anything else is just a waste of everyone's time. You might as well just hand the certificates out at the beginning and all go off for tea & cakes.

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No course is going to survive without students. Since academic institutions require the funding that follows each student, I think they should suit the needs of those students.

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I don't see why the current system is such a problem?

It's the way Universities work, so surely it's good preparation?


+1. All university courses that I'm aware of are made up of modules, all of which are independently graded.

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No course is going to survive without students. Since academic institutions require the funding that follows each student, I think they should suit the needs of those students.

Academic institutions are not there simply to give students qualifications. If they do so, they are failing in their greater responsibility to society at large. Would you want to be operated on by a surgeon who had been to a medical school that 'catered to the needs of it's students', or one that made damn sure those that got the qualification earned it?

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No course is going to survive without students. Since academic institutions require the funding that follows each student, I think they should suit the needs of those students.

Academic institutions are not there simply to give students qualifications. If they do so, they are failing in their greater responsibility to society at large. Would you want to be operated on by a surgeon who had been to a medical school that 'catered to the needs of it's students', or one that made damn sure those that got the qualification earned it?

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It depends. For example I hold nothing but disdain for medical schools that try to regulate the behaviour of medical students off-campus as well as on the job.

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Fair basis? It simply isn't. It's an artificial measure of your ability to recall information. That's it. It's of no use in the work place, nor academia.
Lots of people who perform perfectly adequately outside of an exam hall can't perform well in an exam.
If you honestly believe that modules benefit those who are committed enough to 'plod along' - well aren't those entirely the people you want to hire? That show commitment to finishing?
Name me one contribution to society that's arisen solely because of someone's ability to sit at a desk for 2 hours and answer questions on a topic they were taught 6 months ago.
Far more use are those people who've got the tenacity to see the goal on the horizon and are able to chart their work load in order to attain that goal in real day-to-day targets, instead of cocking about for most of the term then hitting the books for the last month.

The ability to remember really only applied to O levels. A Levels required some understanding of the subject.

Also for professional exams you are allowed to take in books. Which is closer to an every day situation. Though whatever you do you need a simple way to compare people. For O and A levels exams are straight forward and can be hard to cheat. For universities they can still use modular courses for all the reasons mentioned.

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Would you want to be operated on by a surgeon who had been to a medical school that 'catered to the needs of it's students', or one that made damn sure those that got the qualification earned it?

It depends.

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a) - I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Let's take two of my A-levels as an example.
Geology - Exams at the end of a two year course
Geography. Lots of smaller exams, the first two of which were in teh Junuary of my first year doing A-levels.

With geology I had almost two years to progress from GCSE standard to A-level standard. With geography I had six months. Sure the exams were shorter as less had been covered, but I still had to be at that standard to get the grades. (only I didn't get there the first time round).

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Considering what actual qualified medical staff get up to in hospitals, strict standards in medical schools aren't going to make me feel much better.

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The other thing about the modular system compared to the old system is that modules take more time out of school. 3-4 weeks study period for AS is not uncommon at all, not to mention all the lessons prior to that devoted to revision, on top of the disruption caused by January modules. People say the modular exams are easier, but there is significantly less time to cover everything than there was with the old system.

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