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The government's decision to cut housing benefit could put 200,000 people at risk of homelessness, according to a campaign group


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There are currently about 140,000 homeless people in the UK.

So more than doubling homelessness is a price worth paying for in a so called civilised country?

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I'm sorry, but I think they've got it bang on with the housing benefit restrictions.

Am I right in thinking that all they have done is introduce an upper limit? From what I remember it was high too - something like £400 a week for a four bed?????

That's a lot of money, and you can get some perfectly good houses in good areas (close to schools etc) for a lot less than that around here.

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I'm sorry, but I think they've got it bang on with the housing benefit restrictions.

Am I right in thinking that all they have done is introduce an upper limit? From what I remember it was high too - something like £400 a week for a four bed?????

That's a lot of money, and you can get some perfectly good houses in good areas (close to schools etc) for a lot less than that around here.


That may well be true in most cases. But £400 per week might not get you a large enough house in London/the South East, or areas like the South West where second home owners push prices artificially high.

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Obviously an exception but one family has recently been in the news receiving 1600 housing benefit per week for a seven bed house in the North West of London. Seven bedrooms for the parents and seven kids!

Haven't they or the council heard of bunk beds?

Second home owners don't help of course. I think taxes should be higher on anything other than a PPR to discourage rampant property investment.

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Obviously an exception but one family has recently been in the news receiving 1600 housing benefit per week for a seven bed house in the North West of London. Seven bedrooms for the parents and seven kids!

Haven't they or the council heard of bunk beds?

Second home owners don't help of course. I think taxes should be higher on anything other than a PPR to discourage rampant property investment.


It's illegal for children to share a bedroom once they are over a certain age.

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It's illegal for children to share a bedroom once they are over a certain age.


You're kidding me? When, what and why!?!

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I'm sorry, but I think they've got it bang on with the housing benefit restrictions.

Am I right in thinking that all they have done is introduce an upper limit? From what I remember it was high too - something like £400 a week for a four bed?????

That's a lot of money, and you can get some perfectly good houses in good areas (close to schools etc) for a lot less than that around here.

I agree with that as well but it is not just that.

It is a clamp down on all rents paid everywhere, to the lowest levels for the area. That means that the low paid and unemployed will be competing for the same properties. Plus if you are unemployed and after 12 months it is cut again. If you are a student you will suddenly find that the rents have shot up because there will increased demand at the lowest levels.

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It's illegal for children to share a bedroom once they are over a certain age.

Only for children over 10 and of different sexes. So if they are both below 10 they will be expected to share, even if they are of different sexes, and only once someone of a different sex hits 10 do they get another room funded. If they are all boys or all girls you would be expected to share, though 10 kids in a room would breach overcrowding regulations.

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It's illegal for children to share a bedroom once they are over a certain age.

Only for children over 10 and of different sexes. So if they are both below 10 they will be expected to share, even if they are of different sexes, and only once someone of a different sex hits 10 do they get another room funded. If they are all boys or all girls you would be expected to share, though 10 kids in a room would breach overcrowding regulations.


So all you need is a three bed house. If you need even more room then sofa beds FTW.

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Only for children over 10 and of different sexes. So if they are both below 10 they will be expected to share, even if they are of different sexes, and only once someone of a different sex hits 10 do they get another room funded. If they are all boys or all girls you would be expected to share, though 10 kids in a room would breach overcrowding regulations.


This doesn't stop the problem of local authorities trying to house people properly if housing benefit is cut/capped.

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I think this cap is a good idea. It still provides people with a roof over their heads, but no the huge mansions that some scroungers seems to thing they are entitled to at our expense. The people complaining lodest are the people who choose to live off the state as a lifestyle choice. And that's not what the wellfare state was designed for.

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I think this cap is a good idea. It still provides people with a roof over their heads, but no the huge mansions that some scroungers seems to thing they are entitled to at our expense. The people complaining lodest are the people who choose to live off the state as a lifestyle choice. And that's not what the wellfare state was designed for.

Yes but it also includes the disabled. Is that a lifestyle choice?

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So all you need is a three bed house. If you need even more room then sofa beds FTW.

Yes except if you have an exceptionally large family. Though child benefits should be capped at three kids to stop the parents breeding like rabbits to justify bigger houses etc. It will take a number of years for that to work its way through the current crop of breeders.

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This doesn't stop the problem of local authorities trying to house people properly if housing benefit is cut/capped.

No it makes worse because they have to compete with everyone else for those few places that qualify.

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This doesn't stop the problem of local authorities trying to house people properly if housing benefit is cut/capped.

No it makes worse because they have to compete with everyone else for those few places that qualify.


No, it's worse than that. Local Authorities will attract fines for failing to comply with Housing Law by not housing families properly.

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Nick wrote:
I'm sorry, but I think they've got it bang on with the housing benefit restrictions.

Am I right in thinking that all they have done is introduce an upper limit? From what I remember it was high too - something like £400 a week for a four bed?????

That's a lot of money, and you can get some perfectly good houses in good areas (close to schools etc) for a lot less than that around here.


That may well be true in most cases. But £400 per week might not get you a large enough house in London/the South East, or areas like the South West where second home owners push prices artificially high.


Yeah sure, house prices vary around the country.

If you genuinely can't get a 4 bed for £400 a week, then there should be an allowance made, but I would be quite surprised.

The 4 bed house I live in costs £260 per month, so even £400 per month is a lot of money here in Pompey. I don't know what house/rent prices are like relative to the rest of the country, but it's a very very densely populated city so I'd imagine they would be above average.

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Yes but it also includes the disabled. Is that a lifestyle choice?

Haven't they made an allowance for that?

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Yeah sure, house prices vary around the country.

If you genuinely can't get a 4 bed for £400 a week, then there should be an allowance made, but I would be quite surprised.

The 4 bed house I live in costs £260 per month, so even £400 per month is a lot of money here in Pompey. I don't know what house/rent prices are like relative to the rest of the country, but it's a very very densely populated city so I'd imagine they would be above average.

I doubt that it is as low as £400 per month in Portsmouth. I had a quick look on the rightmove.co.uk website and found two 4 bed properties that would be excluded (£2600 pcm and £1650 pcm) and a couple more that could be affected.

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