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Perhaps the kids who are going to "fail" to get a place this time round can apply next year, or the year after. They can spend the year getting some real world experience, maybe even a job so they can save some dosh for their educamacation. They may have even worked out which degree course would be most useful for them, and perhaps even get sponsorship from their employer (if they have one).


Makes it sound as though everyone who takes a gap year is gonna fail.. :) But seriously, a gap year can help, as you will have confirmed grades and then can decide where to apply and get a firm offer. No waiting to find out your results to ensure you get in. (my plan)


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Makes it sound as though everyone who takes a gap year is gonna fail.. :) But seriously, a gap year can help, as you will have confirmed grades and then can decide where to apply and get a firm offer. No waiting to find out your results to ensure you get in. (my plan)

It can also help depending on what you do during your gap year. I year helping a charity somewhere might be better than a year at the festivals.

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Perhaps the kids who are going to "fail" to get a place this time round can apply next year, or the year after. They can spend the year getting some real world experience, maybe even a job so they can save some dosh for their educamacation. They may have even worked out which degree course would be most useful for them, and perhaps even get sponsorship from their employer (if they have one).


My brother has failed to get into Uni twice now, both times he wanted to do Religious Studies and Philosophy. He's now going back to collage to get more basic qualifications to do something else...
For the last two years, all he's really done is bum around...

People today don't need degrees, they need a practical education. Coming out of university I feel that I am most qualified to go and do a Masters/Ph.D, not go out and develop software/admin networks/send a robot to Mars/etc...


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I went to Uni at 21 instead of 18, decided I wanted some cash instead and went to work.

I think I made more out of it because I waited, in every sense. :D

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People today don't need degrees, they need a practical education. Coming out of university I feel that I am most qualified to go and do a Masters/Ph.D, not go out and develop software/admin networks/send a robot to Mars/etc...

I think for most people a degree is a complete waste of time and money. Unless it is relevant to the career that you intend to go into then all it does is increase your debt or tax liability for the next dozen years or more and reduce your income during the first four years or so. The so called degree premium is now down to £100 000 over your lifetime from the £400 000 when debts were first introduced. So in a few more years it will down to zero for all but the highest paying degrees.

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Perhaps the kids who are going to "fail" to get a place this time round can apply next year, or the year after. They can spend the year getting some real world experience, maybe even a job so they can save some dosh for their educamacation. They may have even worked out which degree course would be most useful for them, and perhaps even get sponsorship from their employer (if they have one).


My brother has failed to get into Uni twice now, both times he wanted to do Religious Studies and Philosophy. He's now going back to collage to get more basic qualifications to do something else...
For the last two years, all he's really done is bum around...

People today don't need degrees, they need a practical education. Coming out of university I feel that I am most qualified to go and do a Masters/Ph.D, not go out and develop software/admin networks/send a robot to Mars/etc...


It depends on the course. I feel brilliantly qualified to clobber Tesco et al for their unlawful returns policies, not to mention dodgy builders, car salesmen/garages, electricity/gas companies, banks etc...

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It's simple market forces. If you have more students who are qualified for a university that has a limited and constant number of places, more of those students are going to miss out. UKGov should be worrying less about this and more about the fact the top universities - commonly called The Russel Group, which is kind of the UK equivalent to the Ivy League in the US - are now running their own admission exams because they simply don't see A-levels no matter what grade as sufficient qualification any more.

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I would not apply for any uni unless it was one of the top universities. The problem is that top employers restrict their choice to those from the best universities.


That's quite a statement - do you have any evidence to back it up? I would consider the company I work as being one of the top employers, and I'm not exactly falling over Oxbridge graduates - there are none amongst the 100-odd people in my research group.

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Depends on the business I think.

I was listening to the radlio on the way in this morning and they were doing the whole 'waiting round while students opened their results' thing. Some of the grades you need these days to get into fairly middling courses/unis are scary, compared to when I was 18. One of the students they were talking to needed 3 A's to get into Warwick to study History. In my day, if you got 3 A's you had about a 50/50 chance of getting into Oxbridge, and if you didn't you could pretty much pick any course anywhere else. Whatever the cause of grade inflation, you'd have to be downright deluded to suggest it hasn't happened.

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Depends on the business I think.

I was listening to the radlio on the way in this morning and they were doing the whole 'waiting round while students opened their results' thing. Some of the grades you need these days to get into fairly middling courses/unis are scary, compared to when I was 18. One of the students they were talking to needed 3 A's to get into Warwick to study History. In my day, if you got 3 A's you had about a 50/50 chance of getting into Oxbridge, and if you didn't you could pretty much pick any course anywhere else. Whatever the cause of grade inflation, you'd have to be downright deluded to suggest it hasn't happened.

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I had an acquaintance who was offered a place at Cambridge of a 2 B's and a C. He got 4 A's anyway. Though this was years ago.

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I had an acquaintance who was offered a place at Cambridge of a 2 B's and a C. He got 4 A's anyway. Though this was years ago.

That's a fairly standard easy offer. I was offerred 3Cs for a Top-5 in-country-for-subject ranked course. My friend was offerred BBC a few years back. Once they've interviewed you and you've passed any required additional assessments then they may want you regardless, and whilst they still expect As, they only require a lesser grade to reduce pressure/allow for slipups/etc. It's done on a per-college basis, in Cambridge at least. Churchill, for example, never make easy offers, but if you mess up you may still be allowed to attend.

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I had an acquaintance who was offered a place at Cambridge of a 2 B's and a C. He got 4 A's anyway. Though this was years ago.

That's a fairly standard easy offer. I was offerred 3Cs for a Top-5 in-country-for-subject ranked course. My friend was offerred BBC a few years back. Once they've interviewed you and you've passed any required additional assessments then they may want you regardless, and whilst they still expect As, they only require a lesser grade to reduce pressure/allow for slipups/etc. It's done on a per-college basis, in Cambridge at least. Churchill, for example, never make easy offers, but if you mess up you may still be allowed to attend.

If they want you they make an easy offer to ensure that you get in.

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Amnesia10 wrote:
I had an acquaintance who was offered a place at Cambridge of a 2 B's and a C. He got 4 A's anyway. Though this was years ago.

That's a fairly standard easy offer. I was offerred 3Cs for a Top-5 in-country-for-subject ranked course. My friend was offerred BBC a few years back. Once they've interviewed you and you've passed any required additional assessments then they may want you regardless, and whilst they still expect As, they only require a lesser grade to reduce pressure/allow for slipups/etc. It's done on a per-college basis, in Cambridge at least. Churchill, for example, never make easy offers, but if you mess up you may still be allowed to attend.

If they want you they make an easy offer to ensure that you get in.

That's what I said.

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