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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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_________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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rustybucket
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:10 pm Posts: 5836
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She's quite correct in parts.
GCSEs and A-levels don't test the candidate's grasp of the subject but rather his ability to pass the exam.
_________________Jim
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soddit112
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:12 pm Posts: 2020 Location: Mute City
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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_________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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forquare1
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:36 pm Posts: 5161 Location: /dev/tty0
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It's got nothing to do with being able to get hold of marking schemes and other information, it's about questions being asked that require a specific answer. If the question makers could actually ask good questions and markers could pick the good from the bad, a marking scheme wouldn't be needed in the first place.
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paulzolo
What's a life?
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+3 This is niching new. When I was doing O levels, my English Literature teacher took me to one sidecand told me that I was not giving the "right" answers. The answers I was giving to questions were good, and more advanced than O level because I was thinking. However, they were not the answers the markers would be looking for, and she warned me that I would fail O level (also told me that I could pass A level with my work). She told me it was a game and the rules ofnthe game were that if I get a certain question, the answer would be about a specific character or situation in the text. She told me to get some study notes and use those to point me in the right direction. I passed O level English Literature, but I didn't get a particularly good grace (C). I didn't bother with The A level - it wasn't the subject for me- I wanted to to A level English Language, but couldn't find a course. The problem with exams at that level are the objectives of the course - it's to set foundations and instil discipline, rather than encourage academic enquiry. That starts at degree level and beyond.
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Amnesia10
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But the problem starts with targets. It gets students and teachers thinking about what is wanted rather than expressing some understanding of the subject. If you get to university without understanding the subject then you have to make up for that lack of knowledge in the first year.
_________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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lumbthelesser
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Fri May 21, 2010 11:38 pm Posts: 442 Location: Manchester
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And the problem is, by the time most students get to degree level, any glimmer of academic enquiry has been killed off.
_________________ According to a recent poll, over 70% of Americans don't believe Trump's hair was born in the USA.
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:43 pm |
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Amnesia10
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And why so few entrepreneurs have degrees.
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:53 pm |
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rustybucket
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:10 pm Posts: 5836
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Exactly right. The first year of a lot of degree courses just brings everybody up to a (slightly above) A-level standard. With most of the final year of engineering courses taken up with project work and finals, most of the actual degree-level education is confined to the second year.
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Amnesia10
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Not just that but they are extending the course to 4 years because the quality of intake has deteriorated over the years.
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