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Disabled are socially excluded says Scope survey
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Amnesia10
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:10 am |
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james016
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I can believe that.
My wife's younger brother is severely disabled and lives in supported housing. In the year and a half he has been there, the care agency has been replaced twice, been through several carers because they can't be bothered to look after him properly. Social Services are no help when these issues are brought to there attention. They prattle on about "independence in the community" and nothing else. Despite promising that there would be activities for him and he would not get bored, they lied.
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:15 am |
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Amnesia10
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Yes Social Services are appalling at providing for the disabled. They go in already with an idea of what you can should be getting in terms of assistance, and take forever to actually get close to what is workable for the person involved. It is institutional abuse. Independence in the community for social services means that it has no impact on them or their budget. Even in a unitary council they can find ways of denying you access to services saying that they should be provided by someone else. They then wind the disabled person up so much, that they get abusive and then social services mark the person down and difficult and disruptive, and then do nothing. It is actually a way of them stopping them having to provide any assistance. I can only see the situation getting far worse with the budget cuts.
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:31 pm |
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pcernie
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In terms of disabled people being excluded from social occasions, it's certainly something that wouldn't be tolerated where I live, and I've worked with quite a few disabled people too. And this all relates to the small sh1thole that is Ulster 
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:23 pm |
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james016
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With regards to my wife's brother, the original care agency admitted that they employ untrained foreign students. Social Services contracted them because they were the cheapest. For me "Independence in the community" has come stick them in a flat/house somewhere and wash their hands of them. More so when that person has no independence and there is no community to speak of.
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:41 pm |
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Amnesia10
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It is because a care home would cost as much as a nursing home at around £350 per week, whereas they are limited to £20 a week of other support. So what will they for?
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:01 pm |
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JJW009
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I wonder what they mean by "disabled" exactly. Of the several visitors I've had recently, I think maybe only one or two were not certified crazy people.
My grandpop had no feet, and could only walk with sticks. He visited once; does that count?
If they're referring to obvious physical disability such as paraplegia, then that's only about 1 in 2000 people. I have about 20 friends who might visit, so statistically I should have 0.01 paraplegic guests. That accords with my observation, suggesting no prejudice.
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:58 pm |
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adidan
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I like your logic JJ, I really do. 
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:16 pm |
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Amnesia10
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I sometimes wonder about the numbers of disabled. I am registered as disabled but unless you knew me you would never know. As far as my friends are concerned I am the only disabled person that they know.
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:01 pm |
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Nick
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I'm always quite staggered by these "1 in 2000 people are paraplegic","1 in 3 people will have cancer at some point in their lives","1/2 of all people are obese" etc etc
I often think crikey - I've been bloody lucky, but normally when these sort of figures are mentioned, the people doing it have got an agenda and are using the biggest headline grabbing number that they can.
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:19 pm |
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Linux_User
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Actually the cancer figure is actually "1 in 3 people will be affected by Cancer in their lifetime" i.e. it might not be you personally, but someone you know.
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:22 pm |
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Nick
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The exact wording doesn't matter.
And it's not just health stuff either - 1 in x people have debts of more than £10k, xx% of people do x,y,z etc
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:28 pm |
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Linux_User
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The point I was trying to make was that they make it out to be worse than it is, in reality 33% of people don't get Cancer, the number is less than that.
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:32 pm |
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adidan
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I've known 2 disabled people in my older life.
One was born a thalidomide child and had 2 false legs and 2 very short arms and was working next to me and was one of the most spirited people I've met. The other had one false leg from a motobike accident and, when I first met him at his flat, said 'Do you mind if you don't get up but my leg's over there...'. Frickin' hilarious, I had no idea he only had one leg. Funny fecker laughed his face off. His leg only became an issue when we all got pissed, it wasn't the most stable of things and tended to get sore.
So I've known 2 "diabled" people, both whom held down jobs and had good social/family lives. It's therefore difficult for me to actually understand how much more "disabled" people feel socially excluded than many "able" bodied people.
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Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:32 am |
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james016
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They will be excluded if a disabled person needs 24 hour care and their carers are too lazy to take them out of their homes.
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