Yes, I gathered.
I think my point still stands. Clearly these people aren't well - as I said, some might just be trolling, but I'd reckon a lot of people aren't.




Ok, from my experience, if you're thinking of taking your own life, it's not because life's just going swimmingly and everything is awesome.
If you're choosing to take your own life, it's symptomatic of other things going wrong with you and your life. I doubt you'd find many happily employed people with amazing love lives and good friend networks choosing to end it all because they can't face waking up on Monday, or they're worried about the finances, or they're experiencing thoughts that everything they do is futile, pointless, and only prolonging their pitiful existence when they have nothing to offer the world, and that the world probably wouldn't notice (or be a better place) without them in it.

It's not about making everyone happy. Who want's to be happy all the time? That's no way to live. You have a experience a range of emotions to understand what's good and what's bad. As for “even if one could rewire someone's brain it would no longer be them, so one has only saved the body and not the person...” I'd simply ask - are you the same person now that you were when you left school? When you hadn't become involved with another person? We are not fixed constants with the inability to grow and become other people. We change and grow with each experience.

Please don't think suicide is some noble, selfless act, that's hurts nobody but the immediately involved. It isn't. It's a sign that someone's come up against a dead end in their life and see it as being the only option out of their various issues.

I was suicidal. I intended to step off a bridge under a train on it's way into London. There was a period of a month or so when every morning I'd watch the train arrive at the station, and I'd fantasise about putting myself underneath it further up the track.
One evening, I took a walk after an argument over my income and finances with my housemates, with the intention of hanging myself from a tree in a public park. The kids playing football stopped that attempt because, frankly, what have they done to deserve having my [LIFTED] heaped onto their plate?

Had I been of the mind to, instead of visiting forums like this, I could've gone to one of these pro-suicide forums.
Would I be posting here now? Maybe not. Thankfully, I had a good friend step in and got my family involved. I was mentally ill, from a variety of conditions in my life. Just as an asthmatic living in a damp flat won't avoid a bad chest, there were things going in my life that weren't good for my mental health.

I really can't accept that suicide is universally bad and a symptom that you're wrong in the head.

If you don't want to wake up tomorrow for whatever reason and you have your wits about you, who is someone else to stop you?

Of all the experiences I've had with suicide (people around me, my own close call) it's simply not the choice of a rational, well balanced mind.
We, as an organism, are programmed to go on, and survive, to exist, to reproduce.



How do you define 'having your wits about you'?
I was running an office, booking flights, organising travel, then moved to another job organising games packaging across 6 platforms in 6 different languages. I was fine driving, I was capable and able, I made rational and sensible decisions everyday for other people.
Was I well? No, I certainly wasn't. My life was [LIFTED]. I needed help. I got it.

It can be. Though ones with well balanced minds usually go to switzerland as they prefer a quick death to a slow painful one. The (mentally) sick ones don't have that option.

So you're talking about the terminally ill, the folk looking down at a nasty end to an uncomfortable existence?
Don't confuse euthanasia with suicide.

Either way there's a desire to die.

If you take that as being what we are here for, doesn't that mean that homosexuals are also sick in the head as the way they are 'programmed' means they will not likely reproduce and therefore their genes will be wiped out (thus no survival by children)...

I'm not sure it's as black and white as "you want to die, there must be something wrong with you". Take that composer a couple of years ago, his wife was terminally ill and went for euthanasia, he opted for the same way out at the same time. Was he ill? There was nothing wrong with him and most people thought it was sweet!

I'll just say that I know two people who's fathers are gay. I also know a lesbian couple who'll be raising a child. Homosexuality and reproduction are not exclusive, the desire is still often there, just as many hetero couples have no desire to raise kids. However, you've focused on a single part of my sentence there.




Nothing wrong with him? I'd be amazed if losing a long term partner to a terminal illness, then helping them opt for euthanasia and that entire decision process left the fella unmarked mentally and emotionally. I know it'd cripple me. Put yourself in his shoes and ask yourself if you're at your most rational.

In fact, one report on him describes that: “For Sir Edward, the decision to go to Dignitas was “more of an emotional thing”. Caractacus said: “Dad had felt he was physically winding down. There were all sorts of things he wanted to do but couldn't.

“For the last couple of years he had been doing a degree in Russian. He wanted to do something to keep his brain ticking over but the physical demands of being able to read Russian texts — he was having great difficulty with. It was frustration upon frustration for him.”
source

Now, here's the thing - I'm pro-euthanasia.
I'm certainly not pro-suicide.