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Ed Miliband 'will marry' but politics 'got in the way'
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paulzolo
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Read my quote again: Politicians tend to find themselves in Christian ceremonies, and I often wonder how far those with no belief in such things allow themselves to be dragged along by it.
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Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:16 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Probably quite considerably just to fit in. I have been to events which I am not part of but took part because I was invited. Just common courtesy.
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Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:29 pm |
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davrosG5
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You don't have to believe in God (of any denomination) to afford respect and tolerance for the practices and traditions of those that do. Showing respect for the beliefs of the people you represent is something any good MP should do as a matter of course even (or perhaps especially) if they don't match your own.
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Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:02 pm |
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eddie543
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I really never trusted either of them to handle decisions or make the right ones. They're too upper middle class and out of the mind set of the normal working person or general citizen living and coping with life in rough areas highly populated by a violent underclass to make effective decisions for the good of these people.
I'm tired of years of lax sentancing for violent twats that live in this country not only on the dole, incapacity or DLA (the latter two perpetually being faked) but then go out to mug, stab and beat up people for the [LIFTED] of it. I'm tired of reading about whatever [LIFTED] who stabbed some poor get to death and is never caught. And I doubt milliblands or anyone else in that house would have any solid policies to seriously deal with it. Sentancing will decrease under an administration if he won the next election and beurocracy that stops police policing will mount up again.
I am getting tired of being governed by this ever increasing number of MPs without a personality who all manage to have this very similar smarmy 1980s bastard manager look. I want to see politicians with flaws on display rather thanthose who hide them behind a bland appearance. But I know that one day that whole parliament is going to be filled completly with look alike, one uppers who use the corpses of their backstabbed victims to make a ladder to power. they're in politics 5 years and became ministers almost automatically and then now one of them is a leader of the shadow cabinet.
Now I can see that there are three leaders in each party that are all annoyingly similar, but I reserve special hatred for millibland.
Ahh rant over...
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Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:09 pm |
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paulzolo
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Question is - if you go along with it - do the motions as it were, are you lying? Are you making out that you do believe even though you do not? How honest is that to the people you are with?
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Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:22 pm |
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hifidelity2
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The problem is that we basically have a professional political class now. Many of them now leave Uni (where they do law or politics) and then immediately become someone’s researcher / assistant. From there they move directly into parliament so end up with no real life experience or any idea how normal people live and work
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Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:24 pm |
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davrosG5
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I think there is a significant difference between showing respect for someone's beliefs and mimicking or emulating them for the purpose of deception or appeasement. For example, joining in with the singing of a hymn or bowing ones head while a prayer is being read is rather different from taking communion or attending confessional. Nobody questioned the beliefs of the head Imam or Rabbi when they took prayers with the Archbishop of Canterbury. I say again that you can show respect and tolerance for anothers beliefs without denigrating your own or the other persons. A creation basically of our own (or our parents making). People didn't like politicians having other jobs due to vested interests so we ended up with the career politician. How do we address the problem? That's the real question.
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Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:26 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Well you must really hate the Coalition leaders then!  None of them have really had proper jobs. Incapacity and DLA are not all faked. Many of those on incapacity also get DLA. Some are fake but many are not. As someone who is permanently disabled and so on DLA I get annoyed when people accuse me of being fake. I have done more medical tests to verify my condition even ones to check whether I was faking. I passed all the tests. The new assessments of incapacity do not worry me, I had one last year and passed that. Secondly I have never stabbed anyone. Yes but that just shows the shallowness of the parties. Wanting identikit leaders. Yes but why is he so much worse? I think that he is better than his brother.
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Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:22 am |
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eddie543
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I Do but this whole elction has been a disapointment. We could have had one leader that was votable on character. I don't want to be rude but I think you have found an argument where there is none. I was talking about the kind of person that resides in what I would call an underclass ( not just people who receive benefits like myself for JSA). People who have no morals about faking incapacity or disability, the ones who live off the tax payer their entire life then these same people go out causing trouble for everyone else. You did infer too much into my argument I was talking about the large minority who are wrongly claiming Incapacity or the smaller minority who are wrongly claiming DLA. Who on top of persisting to get money that they in reality have no right to this minority of people can cause a large proportion of the violent crime on streets in my locality for one. Personally I just want a quiet life and be able to walk to my girlfriends and back or to the pub after dark without wondering whether I’m going to get my head caved in or stabbed round the corner. And it might not happen every night but with my lack of money and my circumstances I am at the highest risk of getting twatted or killed for a normal citizen. I really don’t like him I’d rather they all be chosen for substance, policy and having a personality where they say what they think without fear. But really all I still see is that the media “enlightening” us with MPs corruption and personal scandals just so the media can throw their weight about and cause the most havoc possible has caused this. Parties don’t want to risk a leader that has a personality because personality is risk. It annoys me because this question dodging MP that has been apparent since the birth of politics is only perfecting itself as the three beasts we see today Millibland, Cameron and Clegg. But what annoys me about Millibland is that there’s no other option, he labour party took away my option of knowing at the next election I could vote for someone who isn’t a slime ball.
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Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:36 pm |
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eddie543
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I Do but this whole elction has been a disapointment. We could have had one leader that was votable on character. I don't want to be rude but I think you have found an argument where there is none. I was talking about the kind of person that resides in what I would call an underclass ( not just people who receive benefits like myself for JSA). People who have no morals about faking incapacity or disability, the ones who live off the tax payer their entire life then these same people go out causing trouble for everyone else. You did infer too much into my argument I was talking about the large minority who are wrongly claiming Incapacity or the smaller minority who are wrongly claiming DLA. Who on top of persisting to get money that they in reality have no right to this minority of people can cause a large proportion of the violent crime on streets in my locality for one. Personally I just want a quiet life and be able to walk to my girlfriends and back or to the pub after dark without wondering whether I’m going to get my head caved in or stabbed round the corner. And it might not happen every night but with my lack of money and my circumstances I am at the highest risk of getting twatted or killed for a normal citizen. I really don’t like him I’d rather they all be chosen for substance, policy and having a personality where they say what they think without fear. But really all I still see is that the media “enlightening” us with MPs corruption and personal scandals just so the media can throw their weight about and cause the most havoc possible has caused this. Parties don’t want to risk a leader that has a personality because personality is risk. It annoys me because this question dodging MP that has been apparent since the birth of politics is only perfecting itself as the three beasts we see today Millibland, Cameron and Clegg. But what annoys me about Millibland is that there’s no other option, he labour party took away my option of knowing at the next election I could vote for someone who isn’t a slime ball.
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Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:36 pm |
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Amnesia10
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But none of them really had much character. Yes but I have incapacity benefit, and still have it as a hang over of my upgrade when I was award DLA. The problem is that there are people with a graduation of complications which may make them unemployable. At the bottom end they may get nothing extra on top of their unemployment benefit or they get incapacity benefit instead. Maggie created the first group of incapacity fakers. Many were switched over from unemployment because it meant lower unemployment figures. That is one of the problems. Statistics. Many of the changes of the definition of unemployment. Look at the US where official figures are less than 10% but if you include all those doing part time work but wanting full time work or simply no longer qualify for any benefits and the figure shots up to 18%. Just because someone is on benefits does not make them a criminal. DLA is assessed by doctors and repeated every couple of years and it can go down as well as people recover. I suspect that the figures are largely a result of our industrial legacy. These could fall over time. I fully accept that. I want that as well. But crime and benefits are different matters. It might be an idea to make a thorough review of a persons benefits if caught committing a crime. So if in your area the person is on benefits the police and benefits agencies can look at all aspects of the benefit could be enough to deter many from committing crimes. I would also think that those committing the offences are drug addicts so get incapacity as a consequence of their addiction. It would show that better drug treatment might make even more sense, reduced benefits and lower crime at the same time.
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Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:56 pm |
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eddie543
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1. I’m saying that a lot of criminals are on benefits, not that a lot of people on benefits are Criminals logically two different things 2. I’m complaining more about lack of proper policing than benefits 3. Not bothered about real claimers don’t assume I believe that high percentages are just faking it. I’m bothered about whatever unknown insignificant percentage of people who do.
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Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:18 am |
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Amnesia10
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I vaguely remember some fact that 90% of all crimes are committed by people on benefits. Though there is also the fact that in some areas most crime is committed by a very few people. Eliminate those people and they can have a dramatic impact on crime.
Proper policing is a problem but dealing with them is a bigger issue. In the US they are discovering that a criminal record seriously affects someones social mobility. Making them a long term burden on the state either through perpetual incarceration or low level crime. Britain is failing its people for the same reasons. But just as crime is a problem, not educating kids properly so that they are unable to take advantage of any opportunities is also criminal.
Most benefit claimants are genuine, they might have broken a few rules to get a bit of extra money but it is not excessive. Like not declaring a one off part time work. I am also against the fakers. they make life tougher for genuine claimants. Look at all the stories about families who have never worked.
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