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I just dont like to see opinions stated as facts.


Fair enough, and I agree with most of what you say. I just don't think Flash support is the deal breaker most pundits are making out.

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veato wrote:
I just dont like to see opinions stated as facts.


Fair enough, and I agree with most of what you say. I just don't think Flash support is the deal breaker most pundits are making out.


I absolutely agree. I've never used flash compatability in determining any phone choice I've ever made.

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Not meaning to pick at this but the 7 million iPod/iPhone owners dont have a choice. If they want an iPhone they dont get a choice. Now I'm not a flash fan myself so this isnt intended to be biased nonsense but I do wonder if given the choice how many iPhone/iPod/iPad users would actually install flash?

Um, first a correction - I meant 7 million iPad owners. I'd imagine there are significantly more than 7 million iPod Touch/iPhone owners around by now.

As to whether they have a choice - OK, iPad buyers didn't initially. We'll take that for now. For iPhone/Touch owners, of course they have a choice - buy someone else's hardware. That's exactly the point I was making. They have a choice in the market and they chose the device that doesn't do flash over one that does. As far as I can see, logically, that decision must have been come to by one of the following paths

1) Flash simply isn't a criteria in their choice (i.e. they don't care about it at all)
2) Flash was a criteria in their choice, but it was over-ridden in their choice 'hierarchy' by other factors (i.e they do care about it but less than some other things).

It would be wrong to infer that people who bought iOS devices don't care about Flash at all but it would equally be wrong to infer that those who bought Android devices did so purely because they will do Flash. My other half bought a HTC desire rather than an iPhone and she wouldn't know Flash if it poked her with a stick. The one thing we can say pretty much for certain is that for the people who have bought iDevices, Flash is not the top thing on their requirements list. Because if it was, they wouldn't have bought an iDevice, would they?

So, we can look at it this way. IIRC, in recent times, the number of iphones/touches sold and the number of android phones sold is roughly equal. Lets' say for simplicity all the Android phones sold can do Flash. So we can deduce that all the people who bought iDevices don't care all that much about Flash. This is self-evident. What I say is that also some of the people who bought Android devices don't care about Flash. In reality we know this to be true, since some Android devices can't do Flash, but anyway. This means, if you take the number of people who bought smartphones in the past recent times, more of them don't care that much about Flash than do.

This was my chain of logic that led to me stating what I did. It's pretty broad stroke and it does make a couple of assumptions, but I think they're not unreasonable ones to make. I'd be happy to change them if someone could provide a persuasive argument.

Now what I'd like to hear is the chain logic by which the head of RIM knows that 7" tablets will take a significant chunk of the tablet market in the near future.


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So, looking at it another way, 7 million users made an active choice to go for a phone that didn't support Flash. Whether they knew it at the time of purchase is unknown, but it seems they are still reasonably happy with the Flash-free decision they made.


Or looking at it another way they're locked into an 18/24 month contract and cant do anything about it. Or they've accepted it and if they need to view a site with flash understand they need to do it on their PC/laptop.

All I'm saying is hate Flash all you want but dont make the assumption that if someone has an iPhone they dont care about Flash. I'm sure some probably dont but you cannot catergorically state that everyone doesnt.

I just dont like to see opinions stated as facts.

There may be some who do want Flash. Though if you want Flash why buy a phone that does not have it? Also many people will have bought the phone outright from Apple directly, so no tie ins. So I suspect that the numbers wanting Flash on the iPhone are a vocal minority.

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I don't miss flash at all on my iPhone. Only twice have I visited sites that used it and it didn't cause me any bother at all. As someone who builds the odd website, the trend of using flash is starting to diminish. The only bits it's really big in is in video content, but even that seems to be causing less issues on the iPhone as there are other ways to view the content.

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