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I'm currently mulling it over, I have until the beginning of January to decide...
January! I found out about the scheme at our place last Tuesday and the cut-off for deciding what to do is tomorrow!

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The time scale was quite similar at my old job's final round of involuntary redundancies, which included me. The previous several voluntary rounds were over a month each time though.

Best of luck to you, and everyone else facing the same situation. I know I'm lucky that my severance pay kept me going the 5 months before my next pay day. It was thousands of pounds, but then so is the mortgage over that time...

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I stopped and realised that regardless of how close as mates we all are, I really can't think about them at this moment, it has to be about me.

That's exactly how you should think at the moment. It's tricky if you always consider other people and how things will affect them but, in this case, you really have to put yourself first.

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Sorry to hear about everyone's situations. It was bad enough having my pay cheque bounce two weeks ago, but I did get the money eventually and I still have a job and place to live. Well, at least until January, then who knows. Seems big or small, no organisation is exempt forever.


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Seems big or small, no organisation is exempt forever.

That's what's been worrying, all areas are getting affected. The even more worrying aspect is that it's affecting private companies that are supposed to actually be the companies that are going to provide all these alleged "new jobs" for people being made redundant from the public sector.

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Seems big or small, no organisation is exempt forever.

That's what's been worrying, all areas are getting affected. The even more worrying aspect is that it's affecting private companies that are supposed to actually be the companies that are going to provide all these alleged "new jobs" for people being made redundant from the public sector.


Innit. I generally ignore all the media bollocks because I've never been public sector employed and I don't think I have the mentality to ever try it. I also happen to think a lot of those people are too complacent and could be better prepared for certain eventualities, but they just get used to 30+8, pension, flexi-time etc. in their own little bubble and think they're running the country for everyone else. I know that's a vast generalisation, but it does fit the local government and educational staff I know (well, and my Dad who was civil service for 29yrs and still hasn't adjusted 10yrs on).So when they say cuts are coming to public sector, I tend to think "oh well :roll: ". How's that for some harsh honesty.

Anyway, this time, it seems everyone is potentially exposed.


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I also happen to think a lot of those people are too complacent and could be better prepared for certain eventualities, but they just get used to 30+8, pension, flexi-time etc. in their own little bubble and think they're running the country for everyone else.

In some circumstances I agree, however 'public sector' also includes people who work for the Police, NHS and so on. I certainly know it's not like that for a majority of them and I also know for a fact the NHS being 'protected' is absolute b0ll0cks.

But then again you are right in some instances, take the Heads of certain departments within the NHS getting a nice £250k payoff at the end of their employment who then go back to that department and then basically rub it in peoples faces....

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Well already spoken to Mark and I was sorry to hear the news.

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Nobody gives a crap 'bout me then. Thanks everyone. :cry: :lol:


Dan sorry for you too. Whenever I've had bad news about jobs I've tried to think everything happens for a reason and it should lead to something better. Horrible to go through it though.

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I also happen to think a lot of those people are too complacent and could be better prepared for certain eventualities, but they just get used to 30+8, pension, flexi-time etc. in their own little bubble and think they're running the country for everyone else.

In some circumstances I agree, however 'public sector' also includes people who work for the Police, NHS and so on. I certainly know it's not like that for a majority of them and I also know for a fact the NHS being 'protected' is absolute b0ll0cks.

But then again you are right in some instances, take the Heads of certain departments within the NHS getting a nice £250k payoff at the end of their employment who then go back to that department and then basically rub it in peoples faces....


This is the thing. I said I was making a generalisation. But I shouldn't have to disclaimer everything I say. Most of you should be used to me generalising by now!!

When I broke my ankle, the primary care givers that I saw in the fracture clinic at RCH were all stretched to the max. A couple had zero people skills to go with it, but most showed their smiley human selves when I showed them deference, sympathy and gratitude. These people do not need to lose their jobs. They need more people to understand their professional difficulties and less people to abuse them.

5-0 can do one. Train them to protect and serve the people, not punish and enslave (like the Decepticons) and they might be worth paying for and not cutting.

But local government? Come the [LIFTED] on. Lazy bunch of bloated, over-paid, bureaucratic, boring people driving Mondeos, wearing lanyards, using iPhones and talking about about how efficiency is up 3.472% this quarter, or some such bollocks. If the members of councils in Ancient Greek city states could see what passes for representation these days, they'd be genuinely ashamed of what had happened the western democracy they fought, died, philosophised, murdered and had sex with young boys to create.


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If the members of councils in Ancient Greek city states could see what passes for representation these days, they'd be genuinely ashamed of what had happened the western democracy they fought, died, philosophised, murdered and had sex with young boys to create.


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Local government blah blah...


I work in Local Government so I know it's not what it's made out to be. Yes there's waste and yes things can (and will) change but on the whole at my place the majority of people are hard workers.

The issue I have are with those who entered a job years ago and essentially signed up for life. Yet when things move on they remain static. Their skills dont grow or develop, their role is made to fit and they stay seated in the same job whilst their career graded salary goes up each year.

If I use a personal example there's a chap here who's on 11 years of service. Because of the career grade he is now on just over 32k. This guy though is what I would call a basic pc desktop guy. Sure he picks new things up from time to time but if he were to leave here and go into the private sector then desktop work is all he could expect. He ought to be on half his salary.

On the otherhand I havent been here half as long so I'm not paid nearly as much. I working with new technology though on a small team (but huge project) implementing a new Citrix/Thin Client infrastructure and will soon (hopefully) get my CCA.

There are plenty of others like me too. I think it's the other sort that ought to be gotten rid of. For all the stick the Public Sector gets though these so-called 'benefits' have been slowly erroding since my time here. The pension is not what it once was, Single Status destroyed a lot of people's salaries, pay rises have been capped and there's constant redundancies and job threats.

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okenobi wrote:
This is the thing. I said I was making a generalisation. But I shouldn't have to disclaimer everything I say. Most of you should be used to me generalising by now!!

Eh? Did you miss the part where I was agreeing with you? :D

And Caz, thanks, although changing jobs has never been a real biggy for me. I get bored easily anyways. :D

It seems many will be in the same boat.

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It's a tricky decision, I find it involves a lot of 'ifs' and 'buts'.
Yes. Yes it is and yes it does. It sucks, and initially I was wondering what the ones left behind would have to put up with, but then I stopped and realised that regardless of how close as mates we all are, I really can't think about them at this moment, it has to be about me.
Then I found out that pretty much all the department is putting in for the package offered. Essentially, we all came to the same decision in our separate ways.
It's a sorry sign of the times when a whole department applies for a redundancy package because they see no future in the company they've worked in for, in some cases, very nearly 20 years.
The head of IT even applied for it, and he's been there almost 30 years.

Mark

Though they can actually get free money. If they take the redundancy the company might still need them and have to rehire them back. It happens.

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