Reply to topic  [ 39 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Pope Benedict: Jewish people not guilty for Jesus death 
Author Message
Doesn't have much of a life
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:42 am
Posts: 798
Location: land of the free, Bexhill-on-Sea
Reply with quote
hifidelity2 wrote:
I still say it was the Romans and so by inference the Vatican than killed Jesus.

They are naturally not very happy being reminded of this
so
They decided to blame someone else - and back then the jews were the No1 boggy men

Great Idea - lets blame the Jews - Phew we are off the hook now

;)


boggy man seeks swamp lady for daring deeds of derring do and a bit of crucifixion.


Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:26 pm
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:14 pm
Posts: 5664
Location: Scotland
Reply with quote
Is jesus eccentric?

harry potter is jewish and so is that bald guy from little britain :shock:

_________________
Image


Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:10 pm
Profile
Doesn't have much of a life

Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:50 am
Posts: 1911
Reply with quote
ChurchCat wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
Quote:
There seems to be no evidence for this either. Nor any "non bible" evidence for Jesus having lived at all. So lets not jump to conclusions.


churchcat there is non biblical evidence
have you ever read the 'Koran' ...


Curiously no I have not.

I will have to look into that. History seems a bit lacking on the subject. There were a lot of "prophets" at the time. I would be interested to know what the Korans version of event was.

*scurries off to have a look*

CC

It's not worth the bother of looking. The Koran was written so many centuries after Jesus' death that it is patently absurd to recommend it as a historical source on the subject.

So far as I am aware, the only credible contemporary report that even mentions Jesus comes from a Jewish historian of the period called Josephus. It tells you little about Jesus, but is sufficient evidence for reasonable belief that at the very least he did exist.

The story of the census in the Bible was almost certainly an attempt to retrofit the life story of a man from Nazareth to a well known Jewish prophecy which required the son of God to be born in Bethlehem. The very idea of sending people to their home towns to be counted makes no sense at all, it undermines the purpose of a census (to know where your tax payers live, and what they own, so that you know whose door to knock on and how much to demand). Such a policy would also have been more than enough to spark a revolt in what was at the time one of the empire's most combustible provinces.


Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:24 pm
Profile
Spends far too much time on here

Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:44 pm
Posts: 4860
Reply with quote
ChurchCat wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
Quote:
There seems to be no evidence for this either. Nor any "non bible" evidence for Jesus having lived at all. So lets not jump to conclusions.


churchcat there is non biblical evidence
have you ever read the 'Koran' ...


Curiously no I have not.

I will have to look into that. History seems a bit lacking on the subject. There were a lot of "prophets" at the time. I would be interested to know what the Korans version of event was.

*scurries off to have a look*

CC

It's not worth the bother of looking. The Koran was written so many centuries after Jesus' death that it is patently absurd to recommend it as a historical source on the subject.

So far as I am aware, the only credible contemporary report that even mentions Jesus comes from a Jewish historian of the period called Josephus. It tells you little about Jesus, but is sufficient evidence for reasonable belief that at the very least he did exist.

The story of the census in the Bible was almost certainly an attempt to retrofit the life story of a man from Nazareth to a well known Jewish prophecy which required the son of God to be born in Bethlehem. The very idea of sending people to their home towns to be counted makes no sense at all, it undermines the purpose of a census (to know where your tax payers live, and what they own, so that you know whose door to knock on and how much to demand). Such a policy would also have been more than enough to spark a revolt in what was at the time one of the empire's most combustible provinces.[/quote]

------------

i am glad someone else is getting there or maybe has arrived
religion is nothing more then organised gang membership based on fairy tales

but it doesn't change one fact the Vatican is based in Rome
all roads lead to Rome ...

_________________
Hope this helps . . . Steve ...

Nothing known travels faster than light, except bad news ...
HP Pavilion 24" AiO. Ryzen7u. 32GB/1TB M2. Windows 11 Home ...


Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:16 am
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:43 pm
Posts: 5048
Reply with quote
So what happened between being born and being crucified. A bloody big gap year.

_________________
Fogmeister I ventured into Solitude but didn't really do much.
jonbwfc I was behind her in a queue today - but I wouldn't describe it as 'bushy'.


Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:47 am
Profile
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm
Posts: 12251
Reply with quote
adidan wrote:
So what happened between being born and being crucified. A bloody big gap year.


Carpentry, I would suspect. There is talk that he travelled - and even came to this country. So, maybe he was leading the student life doing the Roman equivalent of InterRailing. I hope he had to share a youth hostel with a tramp and a hippy with bongos. Maybe that’s why he went home.

It strikes me that a lot of these religions seem to involve deserts and the symptoms of nervous collapse in their primary characters. Apparently, there were a lot of claimants to the epithet “Son of God” at the time. Maybe there was something in the water. Lead from Roman plumbing may have done it.

_________________
All the best,
Paul
brataccas wrote:
your posts are just combo chains of funny win

I’m on Twitter, tweeting away... My Photos Random Avatar Explanation


Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:00 am
Profile
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm
Posts: 12030
Reply with quote
Interestingly, there's at least two places that claim to be the final burial place of Jesus - one in Kashmir and the other in Japan.
http://www.tombofjesus.com/ (Kashmir)
http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm (Japan)

_________________
www.alexsmall.co.uk

Charlie Brooker wrote:
Windows works for me. But I'd never recommend it to anybody else, ever.


Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:36 am
Profile
I haven't seen my friends in so long
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:43 pm
Posts: 5048
Reply with quote
paulzolo wrote:
Apparently, there were a lot of claimants to the epithet “Son of God” at the time.

There are several pre-christian religions that had a 'son of god' who had apparently died and then come back to life.

_________________
Fogmeister I ventured into Solitude but didn't really do much.
jonbwfc I was behind her in a queue today - but I wouldn't describe it as 'bushy'.


Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:12 pm
Profile
Moderator

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:13 pm
Posts: 7262
Location: Here, but not all there.
Reply with quote
adidan wrote:
paulzolo wrote:
Apparently, there were a lot of claimants to the epithet “Son of God” at the time.

There are several pre-christian religions that had a 'son of god' who had apparently died and then come back to life.


You could even argue the idea of a single deity goes back to Akhenaten in Egypt about 2000 years BC (irony intended).

_________________
My Flickr | Snaptophobic Bloggage
Heather Kay: modelling details that matter.
"Let my windows be open to receive new ideas but let me also be strong enough not to be blown away by them." - Mahatma Gandhi.


Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:25 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 39 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 46 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software.