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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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So you're stuck at 36 unless you see your doctor before then. If you're 37 when you first see a doctor, waiting the three years to see if "it happens" will put you over the 39 age limit. Or do the doctors just take your work that you've been trying for three years?
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cloaked_wolf
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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Think you've missed something there. Treatment means time of the infertility treatment itself - you can be referred and seen before then but 39 is your cutoff point. You have to be diagnosed with subfertility/infertility, and try for one year. Obviously things can be fudged and I've seen consultants say someone meets the criteria when they don't at that moment because by the time the treatment is instigated, they will have fulfilled everything.
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Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:10 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm Posts: 12030
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Why not just wash the newborn in wine? Then if it survives that, it can be inspected by the doctors, who if they should find malformation or any other weakness, they throw the child off a cliff.
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Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:45 pm |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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What a waste of wine!
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Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:15 pm |
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ShockWaffle
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:50 am Posts: 1911
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In his defence, he didn't trot out the tedious bile about huge sponging chav families, that's you putting words into his mouth. But I quite agree, we should be forcibly sewing the vaginas of the poor shut.
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Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:50 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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I misread that slightly as "forcibly sewing the vaginas of the poor slut" They do that in some communities in Africa at a very young age, to keep them virgins until marriage when the husband rips them open again. I don't think it reduces the number of children born, but it probably makes the miserable tortured girls less likely to "stray".
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Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:58 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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^^^that's called female genital mutilation. They have all sorts done to them at a young age, usually before ten, by a female village elder and without any anaesthetic and usually without proper surgical instruments. After marriage, the husband is meant to penetrate his wife and cause bleeding - taking a woman's virginity is meant to be a sign of masculinity. It's shameful if you can't do it.
The problem is that throughout this, it's the woman who suffers unnecessarily. It also causes problems with childbirth. In the UK, it's illegal and I think reportable. It's illegal to be performed here and it's illegal to take girls back to Ghambi to get it done. Usually, these things are reversed Around the time of childbirth - the narrow orifice means that often a natural vaginal birth is impossible and a Caesarean section has to be performed.
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Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:27 am |
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big_D
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Here, they are promoting families. Germany is a dwindling population. It only grows through immigration at the moment, my girlfriend comes froma a family of 6 children, but they have averaged about 1.4 children each for the next generation, and I think the German average is similar.
On the other hand, each country needs to look at what a sustainable population for them is. Is the UK over populated? If it had to provide all of the food for its own population, then very probably...
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Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:13 am |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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Not all cases are as extreme as reports make out. And in some areas, performing the ritual without the actual act of circumcision is also becoming the norm, however the prevalence is till very high. Of course male genital mutilation doen't get the headlines. My stance is to leave everything as nature intended, unless there is a medical reason to interfere. Shame we can't circumcise certain religious and cultural beliefs.
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Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:29 am |
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cloaked_wolf
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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I've seen first hand the nature of these injuries. There wasn't one that was "mild". Although they vary in severity, it's still horrible to inflict on someone against their will. Not sure how it stacks up against circumcision.
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