Author |
Message |
Spreadie
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:06 pm Posts: 6355 Location: IoW
|
_________________ Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:26 am |
|
 |
Amnesia10
Legend
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
|
Well since the Tories had no criticism of Labour policy until the financial crisis, they had commited themselves to Labours spending plans, they cannot talk. In fact if they want someone competant who foresaw the crisis that excludes about 99% of economists, and every politician.
_________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:49 am |
|
 |
l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
|
He has a point (even if it is a bit hypocritical). Brown wouldn't know how to balance the books or keep spending in check if his life depended on it.
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:54 am |
|
 |
Amnesia10
Legend
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
|
National accounts are nothing like home accounts or business accounts no matter how simplistic you want to be. That is why talks of austerity will only make matters worse. On a domestic basis if you have an excess of spending you need to either raise income or cut spending. In national accounts one persons expenditure is another persons income so cutting expenditure is enforcing pay cuts on everyone else. That is why the Tory simplist model of the economy is wrong, it is nothing like a household account. In fact the US has only ever had a couple of years in surplus throughout its entire history since independance.
_________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:39 am |
|
 |
paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
|
Again with the debt/deficit confusion. Two different things. We can borrow, and not be in deficit. We need not borrow and still be in deficit. The Tories really don’t seem to be able to stick to one term and use it consistently. Our national debt is nothing compared to what it was after WWII. We invested and worked our way out of that - massive public works (road network, infrastructure upgrades, etc).  http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/uk-ec ... onal-debt/
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:45 am |
|
 |
bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
|
Yes they can. It wasnt until they got into power that they saw the horrendous state of the public finances. That graph seems to be missing a quite important bit of time eg the last ten years!
_________________Finally joined Flickr
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:23 am |
|
 |
paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
|
Yes - the second one does miss off a decade - but does the spike shown in the first equate to a similarly sized on in the second? Given that both graphs appear to have much the same shape and form for the dates they do cover, it’s safe to assume that the spike around 2009/10 is significantly smaller than that from the late 1940s/early 1950s.
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:54 am |
|
 |
Amnesia10
Legend
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
|
They were talking about cuts during the election so none of this we did not know how bad the finances were crap.
_________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:14 pm |
|
 |
bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
|
Yes they were talking about cuts during the election, even Labour were talking about cuts...admitidley very begrudgingly and usually on the "well cut less than them"
_________________Finally joined Flickr
|
Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:45 pm |
|
|