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pcernie
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http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/co ... ack-944004Hmm, I'm not sure sitting waiting for a download to finish (on a potentially rubbish or slow connection) is what your initial experience should be - installation/loading times are often tragic on the PS3 as it is 
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Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:28 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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Many people may not want to connect their console to the internet. I still have not connected my original Xbox and my Xbox 360 only gets the occassional outing. I do not even think that it has been changed to cope with my new wifi network.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:21 am |
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veato
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:17 am Posts: 5550 Location: Nottingham
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I'm not saying you have to but being online is a massive part of the modern console. From online gaming to BBC iPlayer and social networking clients there's masses of online features and content.
Personally I dont think I'd bother downloading a Move demo if it wasnt in the box. I suspect I'd own or bought at the same time some 'proper' games to use it on.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:03 pm |
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Amnesia10
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I can definitely see the advantages of online play. Humans are tougher opponents than any AI that has been developed so far.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:26 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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Given PS3's 'phone home' to Sony when you start them, I'm fairly certain they know exactly what %age of PS3's are online. So they know whether this is a good idea or not. Plus the disk is only demos not full games so you're not actually losing anything.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:57 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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I remember when shiny new PCs came with a starter disc of game demos. Anyway, this is fine for those with good internet connections but if you're like me and have a 2meg connection, downloading anything is a PITA.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:07 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Many do not even have that. With many households relying on mobiles there are many without such access.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:32 pm |
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jonbwfc
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If you can afford a 300 quid game console, you can afford broadband - a basic 'up to 8 meg' connection will cost you a tenner a month, or you can get it thrown in free if you have cable or satellite TV. It's certainly a king's ransom cheaper than mobile data for pete's sake. The only people who would have issues are those in rural locations who have trouble getting broadband at all at whatever cost. In the sense of 'it's a lot to download' I've got a PS3 and up until recently had broadband that varied between 2 and 4MB/s and I never had a problem downloading stuff, other than when the service was heavily oversubscribed due to something incredibly popular (e.g. a Call of Duty map or something) just having been released. Anyway, if it's too big to download straight away, you can set your PS3 to download it overnight and switch itself off when the download is complete.
In reality, what are we looking at here. Move is a technology which, at least at this point, there's not really a 'must have' title for and which still has somewhat limited support full stop. It's still an early adopter technology. Bought by the kind of people who consider broadband to be a utility, not a luxury. The intersection of the sets 'wants to use playstation move' and 'doesn't have broadband' is minuscule to the point where it can only be seen with electron microscopes.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:09 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Add in landline which will be close to £15 a month.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:13 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Well, nearer a tenner if you shop around. Nevertheless, the point remains - if you can afford a PS3, you're not poor. if you're not poor, you can afford broadband in the UK in 2011. Jon
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:18 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but people can buy a PS3 as a gift. The problem is that peoples definition of poverty is very wide of the mark. What most people would describe as poor would be described as abject poverty by others. If you are on unemployment benefits you might find the costs of running a landline too much hence why so many cope with a PAYG mobile. Also people can lose their jobs and already own a PS3 and HD TV, does not mean that they can afford a landline, and if they have to share accomodation they may not have a landline at all.
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:10 pm |
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jonbwfc
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A gift? A £300 gift? Much better to ask for a year's broadband subscription. Or even THREE years. With all due respect, you're coming up with highly unusual outlier cases to attempt to prove a point. The basic idea is this : The majority of people who have PS3's have broadband. They can afford the time & effort to download demos - the PSN puts demos up every week; demos are a form of advertising but cost money to produce. If the companies making them didn't think a lot of people would download them, they wouldn't bother. The real world is not filled with people who can't afford a tenner a month for a phone line but do know somebody who is happy enough to drop 300 quid on a present for them. Sony have patently done the maths on this and the fact they've done it at all means they think dropping the production cost of the demos DVD from the package - which is pennies per unit - is a net profit given the number of people who won't buy it because they have to download the demos. Nobody gives a damn about the disk despite whatever Oliver Twist with a Bravia case breaker you may suggest. It hasn't been story. It's not going to be on Watchdog. Anonymous aren't DOSing Sony so people can play one single Start The Party minigame without broadband. It's a complete non-issue. Jon
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Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:25 pm |
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Amnesia10
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I know quite a few people who do not have landlines and rely solely on mobiles. Some have been given PS3 as gifts. They do exist. It is more a factor of peoples fluid living conditions rather than poverty. Students might have PS3's and no landlines. Also landlines in a shared house can be very problematic, ignoring the fact that you need a 12 month contract. They may not make up a large number but as has been pointed out if they change regularly it could be better to have them as downloads. Though what about those in areas where broadband service is poor? I am not that bothered about game demos anyway so it does not appeal to me anyway. I suppose it is not as if they are essential for playing games. Only affecting future sales.
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cloaked_wolf
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WTF?!?!?  Are you high on drugs or just incredibly stupid? I bought my PS3 something like four years ago. Cost of PS3 over the four years = £300 Broadband + Phone line = £25/mth at best. Over one year = £300 Over four years, £1200. That's on top of using a PS3. Moreover, when PS3s were released and people were buying them, they had jobs. We now have a recession and more and more people are having to make cutbacks. Just because someone could afford a PS3 four years ago doesn't mean they can afford line rental. Maybe they wouldn't have been able to buy a new PS3 if they had the YLOD? FWIW, my broadband is "free" - it came as part of a deal a few years back. Two mobiles phones on orange, cost of handsets free, line rental £75pcm, with cashback paid by the phone shop bringing the price down to £25pcm for each phone. After the contract ended, we reduced the tariffs to the lowest (something like £5pcm) for both of them and still keep free broadband. The two phones belong to my parents. So for something like £20pcm, we have a landline, two phones on contract, and 2-meg broadband.
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jonbwfc
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I don't take non-prescription drugs, and I'll put my intellectual abilities up against anyone's thank you. Cost of a Kettle £20. Cost of water to boil in the kettle over the lifespan of the kettle - say £10 a month every month for 4 years? £500 quid, give or take. Therefore kettles are cheap and tap water is ludicrously expensive, yes? There's a world of difference between the continuing cost of a service and the cost of buying an item. Here's some more maths for you - if I want to buy a PS3 today, I have to have £200 in my pocket. If I want to buy broadband today for a year, I need £120 in my pocket. Which of those is going to be easier for someone on a low income to pay for? Aside from the obvious point that most people aren't buying broadband just to run a PS3 on. First cutback I'd make would be to sell the PS3, therefore making whether the PS Move starter pack has a demo disk in it or not utterly irrelevant. In that case, what the heck does it matter what the Move pack has or not? They're not going to be using it are they. I mean, what? Are you honestly suggesting Sony should carry on packing the demo disk in with the Move Starter pack for all the people who don't actually have PS3's any more? Seriously? Which doesn't exactly support the argument that broadband is too expensive for people on low incomes, does it? You can get two mobile phones and broadband for the same weekly price as two sandwiches from Tescos. Jon
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