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About 2,000 young people angry over high unemployment have spent the night camping in a famous square in Madrid as a political protest there grows.

A big canvas roof was stretched across Puerta del Sol square, protesters brought mattresses and sleeping bags and volunteers distributed food.

The nature of the peaceful protest, including Twitter messages to alert supporters, echoed the pro-democracy rallies that revolutionised Egypt.

The Madrid protests began on Sunday.

On the first evening, police dispersed the protesters, but on Tuesday they let them stay overnight.

Spain's 21.3% unemployment rate is the highest in the EU - a record 4.9 million are jobless, many of them young people.

Spanish media say the protesters are attacking the country's political establishment with slogans such as "violence is earning 600 euros", "if you don't let us dream we won't let you sleep" and "the guilty ones should pay for the crisis".

The atmosphere in the square has been quite festive, with the crowd singing songs, playing games and debating.

They are demanding jobs, better living standards and a fairer system of democracy.

Not long before it happens here.

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Wed May 18, 2011 4:49 pm
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I can hardly spot any differences between their protest and the Egyptian one. I congratulate the Beeb for making such an amazingly apt comparison.


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I can hardly spot any differences between their protest and the Egyptian one. I congratulate the Beeb for making such an amazingly apt comparison.

Quite frankly I am surprised that Spain is the first to look at an over throw of their government. I expected Greece or Ireland to be first.

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Not long before it happens here.

Here's a very real possibility, IMO, of something approaching a general strike within the next nine months or so. Pretty much all the public sector unions are utterly fed up with the way the executive are basically tearing up industrial agreements because they feel like it under the umbrella of 'austerity measures'. And I include the police who, although they can't personally strike, would probably have next to no enthusiasm about doing anything to reduce the disruption of other people striking given they've had 20% of their budgets cut.

Thatcher tried this stuff but was very careful to have the police on her side when she did. I think Cameron is taking the same support for granted and I don't think he should be doing so. If the major public sector unions all have separate ballots about strikes that happen to overlap each other and those ballots come back in favour of strikes (which I think right now they would), I don't think anyone would be able to stop it. OK, it's only the public sector you say. That's public transport. Hospitals. Pensions offices. Council offices. Waste disposal. Roads. Schools. IMO a three day general public sector strike will hit pretty much everyone in the UK in some way or other. And the way things are right now, I don't think everyone is going to jump to the conclusion that its just the unions being bolshy. I think Cameron & co are actually unpopular enough that public opinion might turn against them rather than the unions.

This path is.. risky to say the least. I'd say there's a 50/50 chance it could massively blow up in the Tory's faces. And then, well, I don't know what will happen. People patently don't think much of labour and the lib dems could only be more unpopular if Clegg was shown on national television kicking Kate Middleton. I have to tell you, I'm genuinely nervous about the next year or so.


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A general strike is illegal in the UK

unisonactive.blogspot.com wrote:
“No-one is talking about a general strike – that would be illegal. We hope not....we’re not persuaded that changes are needed, because while you can have a vote for a strike with relatively small numbers taking part, that doesn’t mean that they’ll all come out on strike” said Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude when explaining to the Sunday Times why the Government would not be introducing new anti strike laws in the short term - as demanded by employers organisations such as the CBI.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... rikes.html

During 2010 general strikes took place in numerous European Union member states including in France, Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain. It is scandalous that unions should be prohibited by law from seeking the support of members to withdraw labour in protest against Government policies on the economy, post office privatisation, attacks on public services and the welfare state etc etc.

Without question Britain has the most restrictive trade union legislation in Europe but is far from unique in big business friendly European Union in outlawing political strikes - they are illegal in but 5 EU member states. However, 20 EU member states permit solidarity action - which is outlawed in Britain. These were some of the findings in a comparative study of the right to strike in 6 EU member states published in 2009 by the Institute of Employment Rights: http://www.ier.org.uk/node/344

The constraints of the anti union laws will be severely felt in the years ahead and it is no wonder that the United Campaign to repeal the anti trade union laws describes the failure of the modest reforms proposed in the Lawful Industrial Action (Minor Errors) Bill as a parliamentary outrage -following "dirty parliamentary tactics employed by the Tories and a lack of support from Labour MP's":

Though a multitude of random strikes will probably be far more disruptive than a general strike.

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This path is.. risky to say the least. I'd say there's a 50/50 chance it could massively blow up in the Tory's faces. And then, well, I don't know what will happen. People patently don't think much of labour and the lib dems could only be more unpopular if Clegg was shown on national television kicking Kate Middleton. I have to tell you, I'm genuinely nervous about the next year or so.

I suspect that Nick Clegg kicks puppies as a hobbie. :twisted:

I suspect that any action will happen when the cuts are clear and people can see what a mess the coalition are making. It will probably be more than a year away closer to the election.

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ShockWaffle wrote:
I can hardly spot any differences between their protest and the Egyptian one. I congratulate the Beeb for making such an amazingly apt comparison.

Quite frankly I am surprised that Spain is the first to look at an over throw of their government. I expected Greece or Ireland to be first.

We must have been reading very different stories, because all I read about was a couple of thousand kids sitting around waving insipid banners and forming pointless committees. The only tenuous link with Egypt is that they are using TwitBook for some of these things.


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Amnesia10 wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
I can hardly spot any differences between their protest and the Egyptian one. I congratulate the Beeb for making such an amazingly apt comparison.

Quite frankly I am surprised that Spain is the first to look at an over throw of their government. I expected Greece or Ireland to be first.

We must have been reading very different stories, because all I read about was a couple of thousand kids sitting around waving insipid banners and forming pointless committees. The only tenuous link with Egypt is that they are using TwitBook for some of these things.

+ 1 with ShockWaffle

Appart from some people is a square in Spain the comparison is just banal

The difference
- Egypt a totally corrupt goverment and one party state
- Spain a modern democracy

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hifidelity2 wrote:
Appart from some people is a square in Spain the comparison is just banal

The difference
- Egypt a totally corrupt goverment and one party state
- Spain a modern democracy

Yes but if you know Spains polictical system, you will know how corrupt it is. Particularly local government. There a number of mayors in prison in Spain. The mayor where my parents have a home, is currently in jail, yet still runs the council from his cell. It is exceptionally corrupt. So it has a few of the factors in the Arab spring. High youth unemployment (around 40% youth unemployment) and corruption. Both Tunisia and Egypt were republics, admittedly not very democratic.

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They'd have to get Franco back in charge before this thread's title was anything other than utter bollocks.


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