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Numbers is a doddle. Funnily enough, it works just like Excel, only nicer (and cheaper). I find I actually look forward to working in Numbers, something I can safely say I never experienced with Excel or the OO equivalent. :D

I never found Numbers to be very useful. It seems desgined to help people produce good looking results tables that cover a couple of pages (I only used the original version, maybe it has improved). But through a couple of hundred thousand rows of raw data at it to analyse and it seemed lost (if it could even open the file).

Certainly true. It always struck me actually Numbers is more a of a 'tabulated data desktop publishing package' than an actual kilo-row number cruncher. It has adequate performance for simple datasets but it's patently not designed with massive analysis in mind. Start from the 'tables on a page' metaphor and work out - it's designed primarily to present data, not manipulate it.

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Excel can produce some very nice looking tables

To be honest with you, I don't remember ever seeing any. 99.9% of Excel users never stray beyond the basic built-in styles.

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and Numbers doesn't seem to do anything that Excel can't do.

I'd say that if two people had to present a set of tabulated data in a 'paper' report and one was doing it in Excel and the other was doing it in Pages, the Pages one would end up looking better. Sometimes, that's important. Nobody actually ever presents hundred-thousand row tables to people. Different horses etc..

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It can do it much more easily, that ease of use comes at a price for power users, who miss a lot of features in Numbers, the same is true for Pages. Pages and Numbers seem to take the presentation features of Word and Excel and make them easily accessible, whilst removing many of the power user features.

The definition of 'power user' is surely at least partly what I spoke of above - You're a power user if you've used the product extensively, know all it's insides and outs and can make it perform in an optimal way. I'm pretty sure there are Numbers/pages power users who can actually make it do some pretty astonishing things. Maybe not the same things but all spanners aren't meant to twist the same bolts.

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big_D wrote:
Excel can produce some very nice looking tables

To be honest with you, I don't remember ever seeing any. 99.9% of Excel users never stray beyond the basic built-in styles.

I have never tried. :oops:

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To be honest, for the level of spreadsheet use I need, Numbers rocks. Excel is overkill squared.

Sure, Numbers will fall down if you need the industrial level number crunching, but how many ordinary people need that?

Fair enough - I think most people are like that. LO Calc is pretty good though for power usage

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Clearly it is horse for course when it comes to spreadsheets. I do have some very complex spreadsheets but having being used to Excel I can cope. I am sure that I could do it in Numbers but I struggle to cope with the differences. Not because Numbers is bad but what left of my brain cells have a hard time adjusting to the different way of working within Numbers. :oops:

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