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British Rail was reliable and cheap.

Woah! take off those rose-tinted spectacles there my friend. BR was occasionally very poor, occasionally very good and mostly mediocre. In fact, I'd say the performances of private and public train management has been pretty much identical. Of course now it's costing us more and we have a ticket pricing structure that seems to have been designed by Kafka into the bargain. Overall I'd have a nationalised service back but let's not pretend it was some idyllic 'Railway Children' utopia.

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All that we have done is created new multimillionaires who own the rolling stock, and have effectively sucked up all the subsidises.

Of course that wasn't the intention of privatisation in the first place. Oh no.

Jon

They definitely were not clean. Sometimes they smelled of urine and were damaged. But they needed investment which the government were not willing to do via a public body, but spent twice as much via private entities.

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jonbwfc wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
British Rail was reliable and cheap.

Woah! take off those rose-tinted spectacles there my friend. BR was occasionally very poor, occasionally very good and mostly mediocre. In fact, I'd say the performances of private and public train management has been pretty much identical. Of course now it's costing us more and we have a ticket pricing structure that seems to have been designed by Kafka into the bargain. Overall I'd have a nationalised service back but let's not pretend it was some idyllic 'Railway Children' utopia.

Amnesia10 wrote:
All that we have done is created new multimillionaires who own the rolling stock, and have effectively sucked up all the subsidises.

Of course that wasn't the intention of privatisation in the first place. Oh no.

Jon

They definitely were not clean. Sometimes they smelled of urine and were damaged.


And this is different to what we have now in what way? I’ve been on trains since privatisation which I can only describe as toilets on wheels. The rolling stock has been upgraded - but that would have happened anyway as BR was investing in new stock.

Right now, we have two failed franchises on the line I’m on - One (yes, a bloody stupid name for a train company) and National Express which I believe is being ejected or has chosen not to renew the franchise. They are still running stock with either ONE livery or even First in evidence, which was a previous franchisee. It’s a joke, and the fares are going to go up with no discern amble benefit to the passenger.

Moving passengers about is clearly an occupational hazard in the process of making money for shareholders.

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Doing stuff is clearly an occupational hazard in the process of making money for shareholders.

Welcome to capitalism.

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