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hifidelity2 wrote:
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So they want to cut that expense, hence they are destroying the NHS by stealth.

No what's destroying the NHS, apart from the huge increase in management layers and the apparent need to pay them the going market rate (to attract the best candidates. Which is obviously doesn't) is the ever expanding cost. When the NHS was brought into being there wasn't the type of treatments available now and the costs. Need a heart transplant (cost £40k plus) in 1950 .. well you died. Want a test tube baby (one cycle £4k), In 1950 the NHS cost the country £400 million, by 1965 the cost was £1,200 million, by 1975 it had risen to £5,200 million per year and 2010-2011 £110 billion.
If you wanted a fully funded NHS that paid for everything then the country would be totally bankrupt (ok even more bankrupt than it is now). We cant afford that utopian ideal, once that premise has been taken away then you have to decide what is provided and who is going to pay for it.


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So taking into account of inflation calculator

we have in todays money the cost of the NHS

1950 = £14.4 Billion
1965 = £18 Billion
1975 = £39.5 Billion
2011 = £110 Billion

And dont forget as we have allowed for inflation if the treatmenst had not changed then te costs should have been broadly static


1965
1975
2011 = £110 Billion


Perhaps it's better to show it in terms of GDP%
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Healthcare inflation everywhere in the developed world is exceeding growth and has been for decades. In Britain we spend slightly less than countries like France and Germany, much less than America, and have roughly comparable returns. So while it is prudent to take action to slow this growth and get value for money, there is no need to panic.

To switch to a US style system (where we spend double on healthcare as a nation and see practically nothing from it) would be hugely detrimental to our economy. The reason why Americans have never invested in proper state funded healthcare is pure ideological vanity on their part (it wasn't their idea, so it's un-american), no informed or impartial observer could possibly recommend the American system of health care funding over the European. This is why it is absurd to imagine that the Tories want to do any such thing.

Even if they are nothing but thieving mongrels (a disingenuous and unworthy thing to assume of someone who has committed no sin other than disagreeing with some of you people). The US healthcare funding system comes at the expense of every other part of their economy, and amounts to little more than a 5% tax on the entire economy - given that they spend 15% of GDP and could get everything they currently do for 10% of GDP with a 4:1 public / private split if they implemented European health funding. So if they really are all in it just for the directorships, imposing this cost across the board would make them very unpopular in the arms , oil, and energy industries.


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Yes IVF should not be on the NHS. Some people will opt for kids over luxuries, that is their choice but to refer to them as breeders or some other condescending term is inappropriate. Maybe the government should have a scheme where people can borrow for the treatment? That will mean that they cannot get further IVF treatment until the loan is repaid. It will end the demands for treatment and mean that those wanting it can get it. The solution is to think outside the box in terms of changes.

I do agree with you over the bandwagons. The recent furore over a cancer drug that only worked for a segment of the community is typical.

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