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jonbwfc
What's a life?
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Some of us have families and mortgages to pay y'know Koli. Well this time you sound like you're living somewhere much, much further away. Jon
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| Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:35 pm |
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rustybucket
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:10 pm
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No. There are not enough jobs to go round. Simple supply and demand means that the employers get to dictate terms. _________________Jim
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| Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:38 pm |
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adidan
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:43 pm
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Something I omitted in my earlier reply.
Koli did you stop to think as to why the company wanted to retain experienced staff? It was because a competitor started stealing all the temporary workers with offers of full time jobs, the company were hemorrhaging staff because the temporary workers just had rolling contracts through the various agencies and therefore jumped at the chance.
They finally saw sense and acted before they lost all of use, having to give seriously better packages in order to stay. They hadn't done so before because they didn't have to.
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Fogmeister I ventured into Solitude but didn't really do much.
jonbwfc I was behind her in a queue today - but I wouldn't describe it as 'bushy'.
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koli
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:12 pm
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That's exactly what I am talking about - supply and demand. You can bring in laws and regulations all you want, all it does is it distorts markets...
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Amnesia10
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Well at lower levels pay is set by the minimum wage, and at higher levels what they can get away with. A lot of company bosses are over paid yet because that is the going rate, nothing to do with what they are worth or how valuable they are to the company. _________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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forquare1
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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Surely if you are temporary there is no chance you'll be at the same place of work from one week to the next? The company could request it but the agency could just send someone else...
I personally think it should be down to the agency to sort sick leave and holidays, surely that's one of the perks of getting in temporary workers - you don't have to do all of the HR stuff...?
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Amnesia10
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No I do agree with agency staff but they do not make up all temporary staff. When the Post office recruit extra staff at christmas they do it themselves or via the job centre. What will happen is that the agencies will pass the extra costs on to employers, but the agencies could save money by being more efficient with the back office so the extra costs can be minimal. Also companies that are that cheap and will not pay these costs are probably not good to work for anyway. I suspect that what will happen is that they sack staff every few weeks and rehire to get around the time limits. _________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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Linux_User
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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I'd take France over the USA any day of the week. Unadulterated capitalism is ugly and inhuman. Having a job is not a "privilege", I would argue that having the means to provide for yourself and your family is the very definition of a basic human right. Markets need regulating and distorting.
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
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Friend of mine worked for EA in the US for a while. Some of the stories he told me would turn your hair white. They start from the fact that when they terminated his contract (at a week's notice) he had a further week to wind up his affairs and come back to the UK, or they would have deported him. Forcibly if necessary. And then the stories get worse from there. Markets tend to distort over time, IMO. Stability is like balancing a pencil. The thing is who gets to control the distortion and why. Recent experience suggests leaving the market to control itself isn't a very good idea. Jon
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koli
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:12 pm
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That's what benefits are for. To support people who are incapable of looking after themselves...
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Amnesia10
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Even if you are a US citizen you can lose all your health benefits as well, then they have time limited unemployment benefits. After 99 weeks you get nothing. This is the main reason why US unemployment figures have been falling, People have simply stopped being counted as unemployed. _________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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