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Fogmeister
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:35 pm Posts: 6580 Location: Getting there
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With the new "natural" scrolling direction from Apple (which I think is something that should have always been that way) I'm finding it increasingly difficult to scroll on my work PC.  Also, I was looking at a document with a colleague the other day on their PC. She was looking at part of the document near the beginning and I wanted to see further ahead in the document. I asked her to scroll up a bit and she moved the document down. I eventually changed and asked her to scroll down and she did... by moving the document up. It really is a lot easier the other way round 
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:34 am |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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On a mouse, it still doesn't make sense to me. On my phone, yes, on the desktop, no... 
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:10 pm |
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Fogmeister
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:35 pm Posts: 6580 Location: Getting there
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Ah, see, at home I have a trackpad thinger so it makes sense to have it that way round on my desktop.
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:18 pm |
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veato
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:17 am Posts: 5550 Location: Nottingham
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After fighting it I changed the scroll on my Magic Mouse to the new Apple way™ and I hate to say it but I'm now used to it to the point where I get it 'wrong' constantly on my work PC.
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:31 pm |
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leeds_manc
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:19 pm Posts: 5071 Location: Manchester
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Is it just inverted?
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:04 pm |
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okenobi
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:59 pm Posts: 4932 Location: Sestriere, Piemonte, Italia
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Can someone please explain what the hell Oli's on about?
Surely scrolling down and scrolling up is quite self-explanatory and doesn't require Apple to fiddle with it?
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:56 pm |
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davrosG5
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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Apple changed the default scrolling behaviour of windows in OS X Lion to match the scrolling in iOS. If , for example, you want to scroll down in a document you have to swipe 'up' on the mouse/track pad just like you would do if you were doing it on an iPhone/iPod touch. You can change it back to the more standard PC way of doing things but the default is the iOS way of doing it. With one exception all Apples pointing devices are now touch sensitive so they are nudging people in the direction of doing stuff the iOS way even on the desktop.
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:10 pm |
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EddArmitage
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm Posts: 5288 Location: ln -s /London ~
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Essentially with "natural" scrolling you push the content, rather than moving the viewport. It does sort of make sense, and I transition seamlessly between using a mouse scroll-wheel going the traditional way, and using a touchpad the "natural" way.
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:38 pm |
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forquare1
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:36 pm Posts: 5150 Location: /dev/tty0
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I turned it off straight away, more so that I didn't get confused at work. Curiously though, I do sometimes finding myself using the "natural" way...
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:48 pm |
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leeds_manc
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:19 pm Posts: 5071 Location: Manchester
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But you move your head and eyes when reading, not the paper.
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:34 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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Only if you're reading a specific kind of "paper". Scrolls have been around for a lot longer than books - and the analogy is a very striking one 
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:11 am |
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leeds_manc
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:19 pm Posts: 5071 Location: Manchester
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Try swiping your finger over a scroll and see what happens.
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:14 am |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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It moves the Apple way, obviously 
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:25 am |
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leeds_manc
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:19 pm Posts: 5071 Location: Manchester
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The writing is on the inside and scrolls usually opened horizontally. 
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:28 am |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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Really? That's not the way I remember it from all those documentaries with Doctor Jones 
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:47 am |
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