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l3v1ck
What's a life?
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:59 pm |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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Wow.
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If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:32 pm |
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Spreadie
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:06 pm Posts: 6355 Location: IoW
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This will be some kind of licencing cock-up. I sincerely doubt they're actually pirating OS discs.
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:58 pm |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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It's reminded me of the scandalous prices the DSG charge for driver discs 
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:12 pm |
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AlunD
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I'd like to think so, but .............. 
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:32 pm |
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belchingmatt
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am Posts: 6146 Location: Middle Earth
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Aye. The statement doesn't mention licence infringement or non-payment of licence fees, it's straight to counterfeit, do not pass go etc.
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If one is diving so close to the limits that +/- 1% will make a difference then the error has already been made.
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:43 pm |
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tombolt
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:38 am Posts: 2967 Location: Dorchester, Dorset
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I can't imagine a company ever thinking they could get away with this, so I'm liable to think cock up.
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:17 pm |
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JJW009
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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I'm sure it's a cock-up of some sort, probably a misunderstanding of the licence terms.
Note the important phrase "recovery CDs"
All the PCs were being sold with Windows pre-installed, and when you boot up the machine for the first time it offers to make you a "recovery CD". These machines are not shipped with physical media - but of course, Comet will sell you one.
Except they did it wrong.
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:16 pm |
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pcernie
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I've made any number of recovery discs/sticks down the years following the exact instructions given, few have worked, and I've seen other peoples' partitions fail and all 
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:44 pm |
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Linux_User
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Joined: Tue May 05, 2009 3:29 pm Posts: 7173
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When will PC manufacturers realise that "recovery partitions" just aren't that useful?
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Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:06 pm |
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saspro
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:53 pm Posts: 8603 Location: location, location
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 |  |  |  | Quote: Microsoft OEM licensing wrote Q. Can I create my own recovery disks and sell these with the computer systems that I build? I have heard that direct OEMs can do this, so why can't I?
A. No. System builders may not offer a recovery solution with removable media (e.g., a recovery CD) because it is prohibited by the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. A full version of the Windows operating system is provided on a hologram CD in the Microsoft System Builder pack for each end user, and the CD must be transferred to the end user at the time of distribution. The hologram CD acts as the recovery media.
However, system builders can offer a hard disk recovery solution in addition to, but not as a replacement for, the hologram CD. Third-party software companies can also help system builders do this. Learn more about the technical requirements for this type of hard disk-based recovery solution .pdf 1.8 MB.
System builders are bound by the Microsoft OEM System Builder License, affixed to the side of the System Builder packs, which is different than the direct agreements utilized by direct OEMs. The licensing terms for system builders and large OEMs are different because they are designed to address the specific needs of each community. The right to create recovery media is limited to the OEMs with direct agreements; however, these OEMs are also bound by other contractual obligations. The OEM System Builder License is designed to make it easy for system builders to acquire and distribute genuine Microsoft software, and accordingly, its terms are different. Q. Are system builders allowed to create a "ghost image" CD and ship it along with the system for OEM customers?
A. No. System builders may not offer a recovery solution with removable media (a recovery CD, for example)—it is prohibited by the terms of the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. A full version of the Windows operating system is provided on a CD in the Microsoft System Builder Pack for each end user, and the CD must be transferred to the end user at the time of sale. The hologram CD acts as the system builder recovery media.
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Source http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensi ... g_faq.aspx
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:01 am |
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jonbwfc
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good grief.
I never really saw the point of a recovery partition on the internal disk. In my experience of PCs, hard drive failure is by far the most common thing to go wrong anyway, so it's an entirely spurious gesture at reliability. Sadly, Apple seem to have taken to doing the same stupid trick with Lion, although they do at least have a utility available for download which will clone the recovery partition to a bootable USB drive and the system they have on new hardware to remote boot a recovery partition over the internet is an interesting solution.
Telling OEMS they specifically can't ship a separate recovery disk with their systems is oafish nonsense. Much as I would be amused to see Comet get some sort of legal shoeing, in this case they were at least providing something useful to their customers.
Jon
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:24 am |
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Linux_User
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If I'm reading that correctly, I should get a CD/DVD with Windows on it every time I buy a Windows PC. That hasn't happened for me since 2003, so either I'm reading it wrong or Microsoft really don't care.
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:42 am |
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lacloss
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:48 am Posts: 1751 Location: Marbella Spain
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This could be fun.....
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:49 am |
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saspro
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:53 pm Posts: 8603 Location: location, location
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Correct. It's up to the OEM to provide it, you can report them to Microsoft if they don't. If you phone any OEM and request recovery media for a new machine they will send it to you for free (providing it's within the first year or so)
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:51 am |
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