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TG used to be amusing because it abandoned the predictable approach of other car shows and embraced the a little anarchy. Now it's tired because everything that was new has been endlessly repeated (which is not a reference to Dave).

When they describe a fast car they, invariably do so in terms of which bodily organs it rearranges while accelerating, braking and cornering.
When they talk about a rubbish car, they compare it to a better example of the same thing, then they astonishingly turn out to prefer the bad car because the other one is too perfect, and the bad one has soul.
Or else it reminds them of a cheerful dog that they like.

All of those, and many other formulaic maneuvers, come courtesy of Clarkson, but have been increasingly aped by the other two. Hammond, in contrast, has pretty much never said anything that the other two feel the need to rip off. I can see how it is hard to avoid resorting to formula when reviewing a lot of the same thing (especially given that they slavishly lap up every new Aston Martin even though they are all minor variations of the same thing), but perhaps somebody who can provide a few new metaphors would relieve some of the tedium. Maybe they could even hire a poet of such gift that Clarkson would let him introduce the Stig occasionally!?

Worse still, although their antics have always been choreographed, everything they do now is so artlessly contrived. The banners on the side of the Indian train were terribly set up, and the joke was one they have done far more subtly before, making the punchline visible beyond the horizon. Hammond's absurd pretence that he was leaving the engine in that car for any reason other than to make it humorously front-heavy was a horribly cack-handed way to announce which fake fubar was coming next. Not to mention the film director who uses words that have to be bleeped out when shouting at Hammond, but carefully uses ones that can be shown on TV when writing on his car.

Perhaps it's time for them to abandon this transparently fraudulent anarchy, and allow a little of the real stuff. Hammond may be a regrettably dreary front man, but the director is the one who most needs to go.


Yes this is one of the best reviews of a TV show I've ever read.


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Top Gear isn't going to change one iota while it's still drawing in massive audiences both in the UK and via international syndication. As far as the makers are concerned, that alone is all the validation they require (although the humungous income from merchandising probably helps too).

The best and most obvious way to make Top Gear change is to watch something else. Ignore it completely. While even the people who claim to hate it still watch it (if only so they can then have a good old moan) there is absolutely no likelihood whatsoever of it changing to any significant degree.

The people who watch it then complain about it? You're part of the problem, not part of the solution. That's the great fallacy of the 'I watched this again and it's still rubbish' complaint. By doing so, you're making it less likely to improve.

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Top Gear isn't going to change one iota while it's still drawing in massive audiences both in the UK and via international syndication. As far as the makers are concerned, that alone is all the validation they require (although the humungous income from merchandising probably helps too).

The best and most obvious way to make Top Gear change is to watch something else. Ignore it completely. While even the people who claim to hate it still watch it (if only so they can then have a good old moan) there is absolutely no likelihood whatsoever of it changing to any significant degree.

The people who watch it then complain about it? You're part of the problem, not part of the solution. That's the great fallacy of the 'I watched this again and it's still rubbish' complaint. By doing so, you're making it less likely to improve.

Jon


+1, I'm only watching it in fear of missing something these days (and everybody telling me about it after), something like old TG - rocket cars, Veyron challenges, genuinely interesting bits about the motor industry in all it's forms...

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the Last of the Summer Wine episode this week.


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The first bit was pretty interesting. The rest is just pants.

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The Benton joke made me laugh though..


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Some of the photography in that Ferrari/Bentley piece was stunning.
That sort of stuff is really all I watch this show for these days.

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I enjoyed it.
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I thought it was pretty much typical for this series so far. Quite good but not exceptional. I enjoyed the ice driving part (and it's interesting to note they're aware of exactly what the reception for the India special was among people who weren't just outraged at them taking the mickey out of India the way they do out of everything) although frankly I wouldn't have either car for the money. However I don't really agree with Clarkson either - I'd rather have an RS6 estate than a Range Rover if I was off on a skiing trip. Driving to the alps in an RR? It'd cost you as much as the car would in fuel. Plus you'd do just as well with a new Disco, which costs about half the money.

I skipped the star in a reasonably priced car - I've seen quite enough of Michael Fassbender recently, in many senses of the phrase.

I enjoyed the Fisker section - it's the first electric car I'd actually consider buying, although I'm not sure I'd pay extra for fossilised ethically harvested leaves and fire-logged wood inserts. I thought the challenge part was one of their better recent ones, the fact is there is a genuine need for what they were trying to do and it was quite well shown that the 'production' variants aren't that great - I really winced when the guy with a spinal injury rolled his. Imagine if you did that when you only had one other maybe less than super fit person with you? Those vehicles should be better and the fact they aren't was worth highlighting.

So, nothing you'd really want to tell people about at work tomorrow but nothing that I really wanted to fast forward other than SIARPC, which we've been over before. A decent way to spend an hour on a Sunday evening.

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I enjoyed the Fisker section - it's the first electric car I'd actually consider buying, although I'm not sure I'd pay extra for fossilised ethically harvested leaves and fire-logged wood inserts.


There’s the Chevrolet Volt which does exactly the same thing - uses a petrol engine to charge the batteries. Apparently, it does 150+ MPG, which isn’t to be sneezed at. Apparently, it may make it here under the Vauxhall badge.

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Matt Smith is the star in the reasonably priced car today.

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Matt Smith is the star in the reasonably priced car today.

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Except that according to the audience that were there he didn't turn up.

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Ah, I heard on Radio 2 that he hadn't shown up.

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