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My worry is that it could be used to punish you. Take a corner a tad harder than you ordinarily would - whoops! That's 3 points and a £60 fine (or whatever it is these days). Speed hit 30.1mph? Bam! 3pts and a fine. Try to avoid a pothole? That's erratic driving. Points and fine! Revved the engine too hard? More points and fine.

This is my worry with blackboxes being fitted to cars. It's snooping through the back door.

Yep. You do get the feeling that it's only a matter of time.

I was doing car insurance renewal last week, and one would only cover my car for theft if it had a tracker installed, and that tracker was n whenever the car was mobile.

So, no. I didn't go with that one.

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Remind me which car you have?

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Remind me which car you have?


Crossfire's in my head, I could be COMPLETELY wrong, don't even know what that is :lol: :oops:

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I thought the same but wasn't sure.

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Remind me which car you have?


Crossfire's in my head, I could be COMPLETELY wrong, don't even know what that is :lol: :oops:

Yes - a Chrysler Crossfire. Basically a Mercedes SLK320 tuned, stiffened and built by Karmann.

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Black Box so the heavy users pay more for the maintenance of the roads they are using.

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Black Box so the heavy users pay more for the maintenance of the roads they are using.

Isn't that what fuel tax is for?

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Plus there's nothing to suggest for one second that the money would go to support the condition of the roads....it isn't currently as far as I can see which is why the maintenance is being farmed out and private companies are "sponsoring" (read: buying) roads!

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Black Box so the heavy users pay more for the maintenance of the roads they are using.

Isn't that what fuel tax is for?


It is now but what about 5-10 years time when the majority of cars might be powered by fuels other than petrol/diesel. The way technology is moving cars will be powered by electricity, hydrogen or compressed-air so the current fuel-tax system would be obsolete.

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Not really - you're still going to have a point of sale on the roads somewhere. The model still works under those circumstances. Even if you're charging a battery or fuel cell at home, it's trivial to fit a meter to those outlets.

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Black Box so the heavy users pay more for the maintenance of the roads they are using.

Isn't that what fuel tax is for?

I hope you don't think that.

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Black Box so the heavy users pay more for the maintenance of the roads they are using.

Isn't that what fuel tax is for?

I hope you don't think that.

I hope no one thinks that any other kind of road tax will actually be spent on roads... The point is, people pay proportionately already. What the government spends the cash on is a different question entirely.

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Here's my manifesto:

  • All roads to be funded through increased income tax
  • Fuel Duty scrapped and the difference funded through increased income tax
  • All sales of car engines and cars with an engine capacity over 1999cc subject to a 200% Unnecessarily Large Engine Tax
  • Introduction of a scheme where all purchasers of off-road vehicles have to obtain an Off-Road Vehicle Licence
  • Driving Licence entitlements flowing directly from the pre-1997 category B pass (C1, C1E, D1, D1E) to be revoked.
  • Holders of Category B restricted to 125 horsepower
  • Introduce Category B2 to allow up to 250 horsepower
  • Cars of more than 250 horsepower banned from UK roads
  • Mandatory Theory & Hazard Perception re-testing for all categories every 5 years
  • Mandatory Practical re-testing for all categories every 10 years
  • Mandatory GP Health check for all categories every 2 years
  • Mandatory Eye test for all categories every 3 years
  • Vehicle registration system to be changed to the German model
  • Introduction of a new tailgating offence of Failure to Maintain Safe Distance punishable by up to a maximum of 9 points and a £100,000 fine.
  • Introduction of a new tailgating offence of Aggravated Failure to Maintain Safe Distance punishable by unlimited fines, licence points or 2 years inprisonment
  • Introduction of a new Statutory limit on the number of traffic signals and road signs per hectare
  • Zero speeding tolerance on motorways and dual carriageways
  • Introduction of a minimum vehicle ride height of at least 100mm

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Well you wouldn't get my vote, I don't see why roads should be funded through general taxation - I use public transport on purpose and would hate to see my taxes going to benefit those who drive. If anything we should be using general taxation to lower public transportation costs so that less people drive and more use public transport.

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Well you wouldn't get my vote, I don't see why roads should be funded through general taxation - I use public transport on purpose and would hate to see my taxes going to benefit those who drive. If anything we should be using general taxation to lower public transportation costs so that less people drive and more use public transport.

So you don't eat? You never receive any post? You only use trains? You never call a plumber, electrican or builder? You know for a fact that you'll never require a fire engine or ambulance?

Every person in this country uses the roads at least indirectly. So everybody should pay at least indrectly.

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