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oceanicitl
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:04 am Posts: 11039 Location: London
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While most of us can't remember the last time we use one the fax is still going strong on Japan clicky
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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I used to fax the daily reports from the rig before we got internet access. But that was years ago, something like the early 2000's.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:46 am |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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Several of my customers take the majority of their orders by fax. Seems rather "quaint" to me, but people have their reasons. One reason is orders that need to be physically signed with a pen. Although a fax is just as easy to doctor as an email, people trust them more.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:54 am |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Can't they sign, scan, email, print?
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:55 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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Most people would find it easier to sign and fax, and as I say people trust a fax more than an emailed document.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:08 pm |
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jonbwfc
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I believe, at least in the UK, an email even with the image of a signature attached does not qualify as a 'legal document', whereas a fax does for the archaic reason that it's a piece of paper with a signature on it, even if the piece of paper itself wasn't signed - it's considered as 'legally sound' as a photocopy. Even though a digitally signed email can be provably shown to have originated from it's sender, where as a fax can't.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:25 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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We have to fax certain things eg urgent referrals. Otherwise they get posted and snail mail takes too long when referring cancer patients.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:39 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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I can't remember exactly how long ago it was, but one of my customers still had a telex machine. It was for legal documents where the sender had to be authenticated.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:47 pm |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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We send so many time-sensitive documents off that scanning and emailing them would actually waste more time 
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:32 pm |
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finlay666
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:40 pm Posts: 4876 Location: Newcastle
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Depends on how it was signed, services like EchoSign http://www.echosign.com/ seem to be good enough for companies like BT and a few of our clients
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:07 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Thinking back to when I had to go to the passport office for my second passport. They wouldn't accept a printout of an emailed pdf, but they would accept a fax of the same ducument.
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Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:09 pm |
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big_D
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Not legally, at least not here in Germany. A signed fax is a legal document, a PDF scan of the signed original is not a legal document. They are trying to change the law here, that if you sign the PDF with a digital signature (E.g. Verisign), then it would be a legal document, but that is an expensive route to take. For our trusted customers, we accept scanned copies, but for new customers or those that have a poor payment history, they have to mail or fax their confirmations through to us. Also, a large number of our customers don't have e-mail addresses.
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Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:20 am |
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Linux_User
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Tue May 05, 2009 3:29 pm Posts: 7173
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Government departments won't accept a faxed signature (or, in a lot of cases, photocopies full stop), they require an original signature. E-mail is completely out of the question.
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Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:36 pm |
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paulzolo
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Both can be easily tampered with though, and in ways that would be hard to detect on receipt. Unless you require the electronic communication to be in advance of the original paper copy, how will you know that the faxed/emailed document is verifiable?
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Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:34 pm |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Maybe, but the courts decided 2 decades ago, that a fax is a legal document. They haven't yet recognised any form of electronic document transfer.
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