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They should just do it. Stop pussyfooting around, get the guns out and just storm the place.
That'd be good TV viewing, at least.
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Nah, I remember watching the Iranian Embassy assault live on television. It was a couple of blokes clambering across balconies and one load bang. Much as with that, they'd make sure as much of it as possible happened out of the sight of the press.

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timark_uk wrote:
They should just do it. Stop pussyfooting around, get the guns out and just storm the place.
That'd be good TV viewing, at least.
Nah, I remember watching the Iranian Embassy assault live on television. It was a couple of blokes clambering across balconies and one load bang. Much as with that, they'd make sure as much of it as possible happened out of the sight of the press.
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What's the hurry? Why are we in a rush to get him out of there?
I believe "international law" and existing treaties between the UK and other countries are the main motivation behind a swift execution of totalitarian action.

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they could get him out by diplomatic bag ...

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they could get him out by diplomatic bag ...


I'm reminded of the 'safe sex' scene in The Naked Gun :lol:

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Russia issues warning to Britain over Assange

AFP - Russia on Friday warned Britain against violating fundamental diplomatic principles after London suggested it could arrest WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange inside Ecuador's embassy.

"What is happening gives grounds to contemplate the observance of the spirit and the letter of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, and in particular the Article 22 spelling out the inviolability of diplomatic premises," the Russian foreign ministry said.

Ecuador on Thursday granted asylum to Assange -- whose website enraged the United States by publishing a vast cache of confidential government files -- but Britain has vowed not to grant him safe passage out of the country.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague has said his government was obliged under its own law to extradite the Australian national to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning over alleged sex crimes.

Britain has angered Ecuador by suggesting it could invoke a domestic law allowing it to breach the usual rules and go in to arrest Assange, who has been holed up in Ecuador's London mission since June.

This would challenge a fundamental principle of the diplomatic system, and the threat has left Britain in unchartered legal waters.

At the same time, Moscow warned Britain against interpreting the law selectively, stressing that London has given refuge to "dozens of people suspected of committing grave crimes" who are wanted in other countries.

"What to do with a right to refuge for Julian Assange when London turns the observance of this right for this category of people into an absolute principle?" the Russian foreign ministry asked, referring to a number of high-profile figures granted asylum in Britain.

Russia has for years sought the extradition of top Kremlin critic Boris Berezovsky as well as several other figures.


http://www.france24.com/en/20120817-russia-issues-warning-britain-over-assange

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A foreign embassy isn't foreign soil, and it is not outside British jurisdiction. And Assange isn't hiding from American vengeance there, he's trying to avoid rape charges. Perhaps he ought to answer for them.

There is no question of us using the SAS to storm the embassy, that's stupid. If we we were to do anything we would start by sending a couple of policemen to knock on the door and enforce a warrant. The Ecuadorian foreign minister would order his embassy staff to comply with the order (because we wouldn't send the cops without agreeing this with him first).

The only reason Ecuador is involved in this story at all is because this guy wants to get revenge on the foreigners who humiliated him when he tried to erode the concept of human rights in his own country
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Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations wrote:
Article 22. The premises of a diplomatic mission, such as an embassy, are inviolate and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission. Furthermore, the host country must protect the mission from intrusion or damage. The host country must never search the premises, nor seize its documents or property. Article 30 extends this provision to the private residence of the diplomats

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I wonder what would happen if Ecuador granted him Diplomatic Immunity - then, under the Geneva Convention - he could just walk out the Embassy into a waiting car.

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A foreign embassy isn't foreign soil, and it is not outside British jurisdiction. And Assange isn't hiding from American vengeance there, he's trying to avoid rape charges.

I thought he was just avoiding arrest and questioning on sex crime allegations. Have they actually decided to charge him?

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I wonder what would happen if Ecuador granted him Diplomatic Immunity - then, under the Geneva Convention - he could just walk out the Embassy into a waiting car.

I believe the British government would first have to accept his diplomatic credentials, which seems unlikely.


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JohnSheridan wrote:
I wonder what would happen if Ecuador granted him Diplomatic Immunity - then, under the Geneva Convention - he could just walk out the Embassy into a waiting car.

I believe the British government would first have to accept his diplomatic credentials, which seems unlikely.



and if they don't/didn't accept his diplomatic credentials they would have to expel from the country ...

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JohnSheridan wrote:
I wonder what would happen if Ecuador granted him Diplomatic Immunity

I think you've got your terminology a bit askew. You don't grant diplomatic immunity to your own diplomats, you grant it to the diplomats of other countries resident in your country.

The Ecuadorian government can grant diplomatic immunity to diplomats in Ecuador. Only the UK government can grant diplomatic immunity in the UK. I think the chances of UKGov granting Assange diplomatic immunity is next to nil. The Ecuadorian government can request diplomatic immunity for him but you'd assume that would get pretty short shift.

The only way Assange is getting out of that embassy without then immediately going to jail without collecting £200 etc, is if they can somehow get him in a car with diplomatic plates without the UK police having a chance to get hold of him.


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Build the car around him? *cue the music* :lol:

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Build the car around him? *cue the music* :lol:

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