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An analysis of the Swedish rape law.

Penal Code, Chapter 6, Section 1

“A person who by assault or otherwise by violence or by threat of a criminal act forces another person to have sexual intercourse or to undertake or endure another sexual act that, having regard to the nature of the violation and the circumstances in general, is comparable to sexual intercourse, shall be sentenced for rape to imprisonment for at least two and at most six years.

This shall also apply if a person engages with another person in sexual intercourse or in a sexual act which under the first paragraph is comparable to sexual intercourse by improperly exploiting that the person, due to unconsciousness, sleep, intoxication or other drug influence, illness, physical injury or mental disturbance, or otherwise in view of the circumstances in general, is in a helpless state.

If, in view of the circumstances associated with the crime, a crime provided for in the first or second paragraph is considered less aggravated, a sentence to imprisonment for at most four years shall be imposed for rape.

If a crime provided for in the first or second paragraph is considered gross, a sentence to imprisonment for at least four and at most ten years shall be imposed for gross rape. In assessing whether the crime is gross, special consideration shall be given to whether the violence or threat was of a particularly serious nature or whether more than one person assaulted the victim or in any other way took part in the assault or whether the perpetrator having regard to the method used or otherwise exhibited particular ruthlessness or brutality.” (Chapter 6 of the Swedish Penal Code 1962:700)

Analysis

I will simplify the analysis by only considering a few cases, the cases where there is some kind of violence or a helpless state of sleep, and some kind of sexual act. This gives a matrix of four cases.

The violence necessary is stated like this “ett betvingande av den andres kroppsliga rörelsefrihet” (Prop 2004/05:45), which means you hold someone so that her possibilities to move freely is limited or move some part of her by force. It could be illegal even if she doesn’t resist.

The sexual act could be penetration of the womans vagina by the mans sex, which would give a normally aggravated crime, or that the mans genitals only touches the womans genitals, which would give a less aggravated crime (RH 2010:6).

The less aggravated crime would give a sentence of up to four years of prison. The normally aggravated crime would give a sentence of two to six years in prison.

In many cases word stands against word. In case the court has no reason not to believe the woman, it will (Newsmill:Pelle Billing). The more serious the abuse, the higher the compensation.

Examples

An example of a less aggravated crime is that the mans genitals touches the womans when she is asleep.

An example of a normally aggravated crime is that the mans sex penetrates a womans vagina when she is asleep.

An example of a less aggravated crime is that the mans genitals touches the womans when he is holding her in some way. She doesn’t have to resist.

An example of a normally aggravated crime is that the mans sex penetrates a womans vagina when he is holding her in some way. She doesn’t have to resist.

Sentences

Touching the genitals of a woman that you are holding steady or who is asleep with your genitals can give up to four years in prison.

Having sex with a woman that you are holding steady or who is asleep when you start can give two to six years in prison.

Summary

As we can see the line between normal sex and rape is subtle or non-existent, the sentences are long, the compensations high and there doesn’t have to be any crime, it’s enough that the court believes the woman when she says there was one.


http://erlinghellenas.wordpress.com/201 ... -rape-law/

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A foreign embassy isn't foreign soil, and it is not outside British jurisdiction. And Assange isn't hiding from American vengeance there, he's trying to avoid rape charges. Perhaps he ought to answer for them.


I understand that he will happily face the charges in Sweden, if the UK and Sweden can assure him he won't be extradited to the US further down the line. This is something that the UK and Swedish governements will not commit to.

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ShockWaffle wrote:
A foreign embassy isn't foreign soil, and it is not outside British jurisdiction. And Assange isn't hiding from American vengeance there, he's trying to avoid rape charges. Perhaps he ought to answer for them.

I understand that he will happily face the charges in Sweden, if the UK and Sweden can assure him he won't be extradited to the US further down the line. This is something that the UK and Swedish governements will not commit to.

To be fair, there's no way the UK government would commit to guaranteeing the behaviour of another state, regardless of the circumstances. They have no influence over what would happen to him after he landed on Swedish soil. Sweden could give him a guarantee but I'm not sure they would legally be allowed to hold to it if they did - Sweden and America have legally binding extradition agreements, which the Swedish government cannot put aside at a whim. If there at some point was an extradition petition from the US to Sweden he could claim asylum and fight it through the Swedish courts but there's no way in hell the Swedish government will give him a guarantee that circumvents that process.

Basically, what he asked for sounds feasible at first glance, but even cursory thinking would lead you to conclude it's realistically impossible.


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ShockWaffle wrote:
A foreign embassy isn't foreign soil, and it is not outside British jurisdiction. And Assange isn't hiding from American vengeance there, he's trying to avoid rape charges. Perhaps he ought to answer for them.


I understand that he will happily face the charges in Sweden, if the UK and Sweden can assure him he won't be extradited to the US further down the line. This is something that the UK and Swedish governements will not commit to.


yep ...

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belchingmatt wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
A foreign embassy isn't foreign soil, and it is not outside British jurisdiction. And Assange isn't hiding from American vengeance there, he's trying to avoid rape charges. Perhaps he ought to answer for them.

I understand that he will happily face the charges in Sweden, if the UK and Sweden can assure him he won't be extradited to the US further down the line. This is something that the UK and Swedish governements will not commit to.

To be fair, there's no way the UK government would commit to guaranteeing the behaviour of another state, regardless of the circumstances. They have no influence over what would happen to him after he landed on Swedish soil. Sweden could give him a guarantee but I'm not sure they would legally be allowed to hold to it if they did - Sweden and America have legally binding extradition agreements, which the Swedish government cannot put aside at a whim. If there at some point was an extradition petition from the US to Sweden he could claim asylum and fight it through the Swedish courts but there's no way in hell the Swedish government will give him a guarantee that circumvents that process.

Basically, what he asked for sounds feasible at first glance, but even cursory thinking would lead you to conclude it's realistically impossible.


and yep ...

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IMO if someone is extradited and then not charged/found not guilty, they should be returned (if they so wish) to the country they were extradited from without a third country trying to extradite them from the second country. If the US wants him, they should be forced to extradite him from here. If that's not allowed... tough, they can't have him.

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with modern tech
he could have his case heard/held/covered/judged/etc and whatever by facebook ...

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he could have his case heard/held/covered/judged/etc and whatever by facebook ...

And if this were MegaCity One, Dredd would have Ben in by now and Assange would have been judged and sentenced.

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An analysis of the Swedish rape law.

...

As we can see the line between normal sex and rape is subtle or non-existent, the sentences are long, the compensations high and there doesn’t have to be any crime, it’s enough that the court believes the woman when she says there was one.


http://erlinghellenas.wordpress.com/201 ... -rape-law/

just thought i would check up on Swedish law in regard to this ...


First up, I dare you to print that post out and show it to your wife or daughter.

The law, and the ambiguities, described there sound pretty much the same as UK law. Is there some suggestion that Swedes are less able to distinguish between rape and good old fashioned [LIFTED] than we are?


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Men can also be raped.

No mention of that.

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MrStevenRogers wrote:
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An analysis of the Swedish rape law.

...

As we can see the line between normal sex and rape is subtle or non-existent, the sentences are long, the compensations high and there doesn’t have to be any crime, it’s enough that the court believes the woman when she says there was one.


http://erlinghellenas.wordpress.com/201 ... -rape-law/

just thought i would check up on Swedish law in regard to this ...


First up, I dare you to print that post out and show it to your wife or daughter.

The law, and the ambiguities, described there sound pretty much the same as UK law. Is there some suggestion that Swedes are less able to distinguish between rape and good old fashioned [LIFTED] than we are?


my wife and daughters agree with the assessment, that the man didn't commit a crime
do you really think i would not seek their advice on this subject ?

unless you require my wife/daughters or all 3 to post their own comments on this subject (that can be arranged) ...

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I doubt your wife and daughters have been presented the evidence as would normally be done in a court of law, and so their opinion is probably based on facts provided from the media, rather than as a juror.

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I doubt your wife and daughters have been presented the evidence as would normally be done in a court of law, and so their opinion is probably based on facts provided from the media, rather than as a juror.


they read the news as i do
each one in this household has/have their own computer
they make up their own minds

this subject has been talked about openly ...

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And they don't find any cause for comment when told that the line between rape and normal sex is subtle or non-existent?


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my wife and daughters agree with the assessment, that the man didn't commit a crime

Hang on, a woman changes her mind about having sex, communicates this fact, the bloke continues on regardless and he has committed no crime? :?

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