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MacBooks afflicted with SATA 'degrade'
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gavomatic57
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ClickySurely some mistake? Where are they finding new SATA150 controllers??? Maybe I'll wait a week or two...
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:01 pm |
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Linux_User
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This surely isn't going to matter if you're using a standard HDD anyway? The Macbook Air users would have every right to be pissed though! I wait for Apple to comment, but as Gav says, shome mishtake, shurely?
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:07 pm |
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big_D
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SATA 2 brought more than just a bump in speed, it introduced features like NCQ, which help streamline actual disk accesses...
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:11 pm |
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gavomatic57
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Thing is, it may not be a problem now, but if you plan to keep your macbook a while, an SSD upgrade a year or two down the line when they reach reasonable price levels isn't going to be difficult, but if this is a hardware problem and the interconnect IS only SATA150, it will be a problem. Hopefully a firmware update will sort it, but I'd want to be sure before I bought one.
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:13 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Some seasoned Apple users often wait for the first run of any new Apple line to go through before buying in. Might be worth waiting a few weeks Gav and keeping an ear to the ground for anything else that shakes loose.
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:33 pm |
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gavomatic57
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Boohoo! Will have to keep my ear to the ground, find out what is going on!
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:53 pm |
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big_D
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The servers are also getting a bit of a bashing, they are around 25% slower than equivalent servers from other big name companies, such as the HP Proliants, Fujistsu Premacy, Dell etc.
This seems to be down to the current OS X Kernel not supporting NUMA, so NUMA is also switched off in firmware (Non-Uniform Memory Architecture).
This means that memory access on the Nehalem based machines (which could also explain the Mac Pro's relatively poor performance) is much slower than it should be, compared to Linux and Windows based machines - because Windows and Linux have had to deal with the AMD Opteron technology for several years, the optimisation for NUMA is built in, so it automatically takes advantage of it with the Nehalem series of chips. Apple haven't had to deal with AMD's memory access architecture before.
Hopefully Apple will address this in Snow Leopard.
In a head to head against a Fujitsu Primergy, dual 2.26Ghz server, in c't magazine, the Apple gave the following benchmark results:
(bigger number = better)
SPECjbb2005 Xserve/Apple/Sun JVM 171347 Primergy/Sun JVM 224592 Primergy/IBM JVM 277441
SPECpower_ssj2008 Xserve/Apple/Sun JVM 337 Primergy/Sun JVM 554 Primergy/IBM JVM 667
SPEC CPU 2006: int_rate_base2006 64-bit) Xserve 142 Primergy 173
fp_rate_base_2006 (64-bit) Xserve 133 Primergy 155
Stream 5.8 (0 threads, MB/s) Xserve 9200 Primergy 11200
Stream 5.8 (6 threads, MB/s) Xserve 18000 Primergy 24600
Stream 5.8 (16 threads, MB/s) Xserve 21200 Primergy 24200
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:50 pm |
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gavomatic57
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A pretty convincing hammering then! You'd think "the most advanced operating system" would support such things as NUMA in order to deserve the tag line.
However, I still want a macbook pro.
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:36 pm |
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big_D
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The laptops are excellent, if pricey. The same for the iMacs, excellent design and I love the near silence when working on one, just they aren't very competitive on price, compared to a normal desktop. But the current generation Mac Pro and Xserve seem to be unnecessarily crippled in terms of performance, compared to Windows and Linux based equivalents coming from other manufacturers. Just reading the specs, the Xserve was running in tripple channel mode, the Primergy in dual channel mode!  That makes the results even more shocking (6 x 2GB as opposed to 2x8GB). The Primergy had 4x2.5" drives in RAID 0, the XServe 3x3.5" drives... The prices were within €100 of each other. The only place the XServe won out was on storage, it had 3TB of space on the 3.5" drives, the Primergy 290GB.
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Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:49 pm |
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