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This still does not stop the core problem in that work for many, will mean that they still need to depend on state benefits such as in work tax credits and housing benefit. Companies like Poundland might make a little extra profit but with a dodgy accountant they will eliminate any additional tax payable and might even be able to avoid hiring paid staff at the same time.

If you are going to make people work for benefits then it has to be in areas that will not allow dodgy employers being able to abuse the system or fire paid workers so that they can take advantage of the free labour. The best places would be at very small businesses who could do with the additional staff but may not be able to afford them. They might actually put them to proper use and teach them something as well.

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So is it better to let someone claim a benefit with no intention of getting a job or encourage and give them some knowledge of what work is about and get something on a cv. And thus increase their employability.
Does the state have a right to expect you to do something for the money it gives you?


If the Job Centre is capable of getting someone a “work experience” placement, then it is clearly capable of getting a proper job placement for someone. The issue here is the never ending revolving door of “work experience” people who walk through the door of (for want of another example) Poundland, with a payment of a couple of thousand pounds to that company for the privilege. In a few week’s time, that person’s experience ends, and another turns up, with another payment. I expect you can see a problem with that, but here are the ones I see:

1 - There is clearly a job in that company. Instead of making a difference by employing the person the Job Centre sends round, the job is kept open constantly, and is refilled every few weeks. This does not take anyone off the unemployment books.

2 - There is a payment of a couple of thousand pounds per person given experience. Where is the incentive for the employer to keep that person? Why isn’t there a grant to ensure that that person is kept on?

3 - The money spent on keeping a person in employment does not go to that person. There is no provision to ensure that that money is used in training, development, or even as pay for that person. It goers straight into the bank account.

4 - Work experience is supposed to be an experience. Part of that would surely be being paid wages during that time. That should be an incentive to stay on, try harder to get a job, etc..

So, I see plenty of incentives for an employee looking for disposable free dogsbody workers and getting paid to take them on for a few weeks. I see little or no benefits to the jobseeker. The absence of pay for the job is an insult.

This system is unnecessarily punitive.

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So while our government is lurching towards unpaid work, the Irish government is publically apologising for their use of it. Irish government is publicly apologising for their use of it

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