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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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_________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:57 am |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Enforcable in Europe? Doubt it. But who's got the time and the money to go to court over it?
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:42 am |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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Or the time to read them. They really should be simplified considerably or it should be priced to reimburse us for employing a lawyer to check it. So in most cases they would be paying us.
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:39 am |
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jonlumb
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:44 pm Posts: 4141 Location: Exeter
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A while back I read an article on the fact that it took longer to read Ticketmaster's Terms than they would actually reserve the tickets for after you'd clicked the purchase button. But Ticketmaster have always been a particularly [LIFTED] firm to do business with, so I doubt that's changed.
_________________ "The woman is a riddle inside a mystery wrapped in an enigma I've had sex with."
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:23 am |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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They should be simplified to a single A4 page for easy printing. With software if they have simple terms like copyright remains with the developer, and no right to reverse engineer the software. There could be a few other terms but they do not require thousands of pages to declare.
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:57 am |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
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Ideally, you need to specify the minimum font height and a mandatory typeface so that people don’t start getting clever with type sizes and fonts with tiny x-heights.
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:38 am |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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I was thinking 12 point but 16 point Comic Sans could be suitable. 
_________________Do concentrate, 007... "You are gifted. Mine is bordering on seven seconds." https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTg5MzczNTkhttp://astore.amazon.co.uk/wwwx404couk-21
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:47 am |
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jonlumb
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:44 pm Posts: 4141 Location: Exeter
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Make it Papyrus just to annoy the designer crowd 
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:53 am |
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cloaked_wolf
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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Some of my fave EULAs have been readable in about 5-10 secs. Stuff along the lines of:
- don't steal or hack our software - don't give it to anyone else - you can install on your own computer for personal use, but not for business use
Along with a minimum font size and spacing, I'd say limit it to one side of A5 with 2cm borders all around.
_________________ He fights for the users.
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:12 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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If the terms and conditions are as simple as that then you really have absolutely no excuse to have not read it. In fact most contracts could probably be simplified to that extent. I do get annoyed when Apple update their terms and conditions every single time they have an update to iTunes. Why not simplify it as much as possible and leave out most of the jargon?
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:45 pm |
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davrosG5
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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But if we did that, what would the lawyers do?
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:22 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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Get real jobs. There would still be a need for lawyers when goods and services failed to live up to expectations. There would still be plenty of work (patents etc  ), though much could be resolved without the use of lawyers which would be good for everyone.
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Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:26 am |
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