Not a Scottish champion?

Congratulations to him, what ever nationality he is.

Indeed. I have very little patience for the bigoted Anti and Pro Scottish asshats. The beeb's comments sections are littered with some really hateful anti-Murray trolls that almost make me weep for mankind, and equally hateful extreme nationalists who almost make me ashamed to be Scottish.


That just smacks of an PM trying ingratiate himself and ride the victory train. I haven't seen Alec Salmond's efforts yet, but he undoubtedly tried to wring something out of it for his pro-independence cause too. I wish they would piss off and leave the limelight to the sportsmen and women.

Why

OK so he managed to win - well done - but he does get paid very well for this - IF he wins (say) 6 on the trot or manages some other tennis feat that the "average" No 1 dosn't do then yes OK Knight him - but after 1 win, sorry but no

And there's me thinking I had class coming out me ears

I think we should have a standing rule; no sportsman gets knighted until they retire, and only then if they've won the thing we as a nation most care about in their sport. That means the World Cup for footballers, The Ashes for cricketers, A lions tour for rugby players, Olympic gold for athletes etc. They have to have had an exceptional career and done exceptional things. None of this 'they won one thing so they have to be knighted' bullshine.

Am I the only one who would happily but all the newspaper sports departments on a slow boat to the antarctic with no radio gear?

I think he thinks he does though, that's the worst bit. He think's he's Sean Connery when in fact he's more Boris Johnson.

I regard him as British/Scottish. When it comes to nationalism either way I am not impressed. He did well and yes we should call him a Scottish Champion, none of this British when he wins, and Scottish when he loses.

The whole 'Scottish when he loses' bit is an invention of Scots with a chip on their shoulders anyway. It's a complete fallacy. He's been more or less interchangeably referred to as British or Scottish by the UK media since he was a teenager.

Here's what I think : when he competes for Great Britain (Olympics, Davis cup) he's British. When competes for Scotland (Commonwealth games?) he's Scottish. When he competes for himself (every other bloody time he picks up a tennis racket), he's neither, he's just Andy Murray.

His success as an individual athlete is just that, individual. It says nothing about nationality or regionalism or anything else of the tribal bollocks people seem intent on foisting on him. It matters just as much as which star sign he's competing for i.e. completely bloody not at all. The fact he is born in Scotland says nothing about the worthiness of Scotland as a separate nation or as part of the UK. Absolutely nothing at all. He learned his tennis in Spain and he lives in Miami for cripe's sake.

Just a heads up, BBC are repeating the Andy Murray documentary that they showed a while ago - tonight at 9pm, BBC1 - it probably won't be in some TV schedules, due to yesterday's win, hence why I thought I'd point it out!

I missed it last time, but was going to search for it on iPlayer, now I can just watch it tonight instead.

I agree on all points. Not sure about the chip thing but I will defer to you on that. For me personally it is not an issue either way.


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