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http://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/a ... first-time

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Insurers are from Wednesday making public the rates they pay on annuities in a move that exposes that pensioners are being offered rates up to 30% below the best deals on the market.

The Association of British Insurers' annuity table offers the 420,000 pensioners seeking an annuity, which converts their savings into a set income for life, the chance to compare rates.

It shows the rates offered by members for up to 12 different customer profiles, based on prices from two months ago, highlighting the huge disparity in the industry. The table shows that a 65-year-old with £24,000 of pension savings and no health problems can get £1,099 a year from Reliance Mutual, but this sinks to just £839 with Scottish Widows, after a 25% tax-free lump sum is taken. Someone who has smoked for more than 10 years with lung disease could get £1,778 a year from Prudential owing to a dramatically reduced life expectancy.

Tom McPhail, head of pensions at Hargreaves Lansdown, welcomed the move. He said: "It is highly unlikely that their existing pension company will offer them the best deal, so shopping around is absolutely vital."

However, the move follows calls for pension savers near retirement to consider putting the brakes on committing their fund to an annuity purchase to avoid paying over the odds for little income. Alan Higham of Annuity Direct stressed that pensioners are currently being offered extremely poor value for money in the annuity market, with a 65-year-old expecting to live for around 25 years getting a return of around 3% on the best annuity rate. "The poorest rates are even worse, so it's vital people seek advice or they face having to live until 100 before they get value for money." He criticised the ABI table for failing to include all providers. "Hodge Life, which often offers the best rates, isn't included as it's not an ABI member."

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Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:45 pm
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:57 pm
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There was an interesting article last year about how crap pensions are in general. Radio 4 did a series of radio programmes over how we pay for the city through lousy pension returns. With all the little fees here and there you would probably be better off putting it all in to an ISA and getting the tax free element that way. At the moment the low interest rates would probably not make this effective, though with overvalued stock markets and a crash baked in then it would also eliminate the risks of losses.

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The example you have quoted is a perfect case if picking extremes to suit the agenda of the journalist.
Wow taking a tax free lump sum reduces the amount you get... no [LIFTED] sherlock

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The example you have quoted is a perfect case if picking extremes to suit the agenda of the journalist.
Wow taking a tax free lump sum reduces the amount you get... no [LIFTED] sherlock

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Annuities are different from pensions as they use the life expectancy to be able to boost payments. If you are really unhealthy your pension would be much higher but then the annuity company would be estimating that your life expectancy would be much lower. If you out live your expected death date then the company loses money to keep paying you. You could still use an ISA to save up and then buy an annuity.

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