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Do they want another riot on their hands?
Seems that they also want to extend it to outside areas too:
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Inmates are currently allowed to smoke in their cells but a ban would prohibit this and extend to all parts of a prison, including exercise yards.


Seems a bit harsh. If the exercise yard is outside, what grounds do they have to enforce that?

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Do they want another riot on their hands?
Seems that they also want to extend it to outside areas too:
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Inmates are currently allowed to smoke in their cells but a ban would prohibit this and extend to all parts of a prison, including exercise yards.


Seems a bit harsh. If the exercise yard is outside, what grounds do they have to enforce that?

if someone has asthma, it can be set off by cigarette smoke. For me, it is enough to have somebody 100M away to smoke and I will start to get short of breath. That would mean the exercise yard would be a no-go area for me.

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steve74 wrote:
Do they want another riot on their hands?
Seems that they also want to extend it to outside areas too:
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Inmates are currently allowed to smoke in their cells but a ban would prohibit this and extend to all parts of a prison, including exercise yards.


Seems a bit harsh. If the exercise yard is outside, what grounds do they have to enforce that?

if someone has asthma, it can be set off by cigarette smoke. For me, it is enough to have somebody 100M away to smoke and I will start to get short of breath. That would mean the exercise yard would be a no-go area for me.
at 100m outside that sounds more psychosomatic than an actual physical cause

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if someone has asthma, it can be set off by cigarette smoke. For me, it is enough to have somebody 100M away to smoke and I will start to get short of breath. That would mean the exercise yard would be a no-go area for me.
at 100m outside that sounds more psychosomatic than an actual physical cause

Indeed. Even if the wind was blowing the smoke directly towards you, it would have dispersed so much as to be unnoticeable long before it reached you.

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if someone has asthma, it can be set off by cigarette smoke. For me, it is enough to have somebody 100M away to smoke and I will start to get short of breath. That would mean the exercise yard would be a no-go area for me.
at 100m outside that sounds more psychosomatic than an actual physical cause

Indeed. Even if the wind was blowing the smoke directly towards you, it would have dispersed so much as to be unnoticeable long before it reached you.

He's not the only one though. I had a mate at work who was just as sensitive. I think true allergies can be triggered by incredibly low concentration.

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if someone has asthma, it can be set off by cigarette smoke. For me, it is enough to have somebody 100M away to smoke and I will start to get short of breath. That would mean the exercise yard would be a no-go area for me.
at 100m outside that sounds more psychosomatic than an actual physical cause

Indeed. Even if the wind was blowing the smoke directly towards you, it would have dispersed so much as to be unnoticeable long before it reached you.

It isn't psychosomatic. Often I'll start coughing and wheezing and I'll look around trying to find out why.

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I do think that the insides should be smoke free and the exercise yards should be the one exemption. The problem is that prisoners do not have access to the yard more than an hour a day. Though once snout is no longer prison currency what will they replace it with?

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Why not group prisoners into smoking and non smoking.
Prisons usually have wings, have designated smoking and non smoking ones.

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Why not group prisoners into smoking and non smoking.
Prisons usually have wings, have designated smoking and non smoking ones.

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an estimated 80% of prisoners thought to be smokers.

Probably not practical really, they could probably fit the non-smokers into a handful of cells!

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an estimated 80% of prisoners thought to be smokers.


...and the remaining 20% use cigs and tobacco as currency anyway

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I do not smoke but do think that they need exemptions. Though you would also need to recruit only smoking prison officers.

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