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Atheism to be taught to Irish schoolchildren
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pcernie
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Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:39 pm |
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l3v1ck
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Surely they just need proper science lessons. They should be albe to work it out for themselves after that 
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Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:00 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Surely you don't need to teach atheism. Atheism is what everyone has until someone teaches them religion..
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Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:02 pm |
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ProfessorF
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No... I think agnosticism is what people have until people teach them either religion or atheism.
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Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:27 pm |
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Amnesia10
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+1 either way religion should be restricted to R.E. In schools. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:35 am |
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paulzolo
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Teach kids to ask questions, and make sure your RE teachers don't punish or denigrate those who do. That way, the child can make up his or her own mind.
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:00 am |
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hifidelity2
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Thats going to have the cathlic church up in arms
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:15 am |
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Amnesia10
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And then they can find their way to the one true Religion. The Force. 
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:15 pm |
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pcernie
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So long as that's all they're up in...
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:33 pm |
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paulzolo
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That being the one where children are taken from their parents when very young taught to fight using ancient weapons, methods and "mind control" (but only to be used when it looks good on camera or helps distract the observer from some dodgy narrative manoeuvring), and then sent out to join some kind of jihad. Thankfully it's based in science fiction, and so we can cheerfully pass it over.
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:10 pm |
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Amnesia10
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The only religious teaching that happens in this household is the watching of the six historical documentaries. Even if you hate the first three.  Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
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Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:53 pm |
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big_D
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That was how RE worked when I was at school. Each term we learnt about a different religion, although Christianity was covered every term as well, so it got more time than any other religion. Atheism was not covered, as far as I can remember.
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:46 am |
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paulzolo
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Our RE teacher was a vicar, so everything was taught from a CofE viewpoint. So Christianity = truth, other religions were taught in a "well that's what other people do, but it's not for us" way. Any of the more primitive religions were taught, but there seemed to be a bit of a Lance Corporal Jones subtext to those lessons. I am firmly of the opinion that RE should be taught from a completely neutral point of view.
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:11 am |
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paulzolo
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The only religious teaching that happens in this household is the watching of the six historical documentaries. Even if you hate the first three.  Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD[/quote] Those have to be some if the most biased bits if film making I have ever seen. If you contact Reuters or Associated Press, I expect they will tell you that most if what us shown is unverifiable, and atrocities recorded are not independently commented on. For example, the massacre of the droid selling Jawas was attributed to Storm Troopers by one of the Jedi in the film, yet there was no independent witness to those events, and the scene was irrevocably contaminated by Kenobi before any investigation could commence. The veracity if these documentaries is further brought into disrepute by the amount of post processing by the film makers; any truth has been lost to digital tampering, which renders the records useless to scholarly criticism, and reduces it to bubblegum entertainment of the lowest order. The whole "Han shot first" incident is as infamous as it is clumsy, and reveals a creeping revisionist agenda. Who knows what else was adjusted prior to the original edit being made public? What adjustments will be made in the future. In short, do not trust these documentaries to provide you with much by way of genuine historical evidence. Much has been tampered with, revised and even expunged. Grounding your moral compass on such shaky and misguided foundations is foolhardy and not advised.
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