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Co-op Group to lose overall control of Co-op Bank

So, with it now undoubtedly going to start having the same flexible views on ethical behaviour as all the other banks, anyone know of an alternative that isn't run by a bunch of schiesterous bastards?


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The Co-op Bank's financial problems came to light during its attempt to buy more than 600 bank branches from Lloyds Banking Group. A deal was initially agreed in 2012, but fell through earlier this year.

In August, the Co-operative Bank reported a loss of £709m, with nearly £500m in write-downs stemming from bad loans that it inherited when it bought with the Britannia Building Society in 2009.

I wonder if they were pushed into this deal by Gordon?

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Co-op Group to lose overall control of Co-op Bank

So, with it now undoubtedly going to start having the same flexible views on ethical behaviour as all the other banks, anyone know of an alternative that isn't run by a bunch of schiesterous bastards?

Building societies.

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Co-op Group to lose overall control of Co-op Bank

So, with it now undoubtedly going to start having the same flexible views on ethical behaviour as all the other banks, anyone know of an alternative that isn't run by a bunch of schiesterous bastards?

Building societies.

Yes but these problems were caused by the take over of a building society.

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Thus far, the ethical position of the business will be preserved, but I wonder how long that will last. Eventually, controlling parties will want to push the profit up, and that’s the time when ethics can start to exist on shaky grounds.

I know a few people who use the Coop bank because of their ethical standings - I am wondering what their position will be now this deal has been announced.

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I know a few people who use the Coop bank because of their ethical standings - I am wondering what their position will be now this deal has been announced.

Probably the same as me - investigating a fallback position come the (fairly) inevitable.

The issue they have is that the bank's ethical position is pretty much it's USP. Take that away and people will jump ship in droves, particularly now most of the competition will guarantee to move your account in a week. Bluntly, the ethical position is all they have to depend on for long term viability. The new owners can keep that or they can go for short term profit and burn through the customer base for instant dividends. I know which way I think it'll go...


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I know a few people who use the Coop bank because of their ethical standings - I am wondering what their position will be now this deal has been announced.

Probably the same as me - investigating a fallback position come the (fairly) inevitable.


Let us know what you find - I have family who bank with them because of their ethics.

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What I also heard was that they also had £100 million in PPI payouts so clearly followed the rest of the industry in that scam.


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What I also heard was that they also had £100 million in PPI payouts so clearly followed the rest of the industry in that scam.

Not to the same degree. Barclay's liability in this respect for example is several billion.


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What I also heard was that they also had £100 million in PPI payouts so clearly followed the rest of the industry in that scam.

Not to the same degree. Barclay's liability in this respect for example is several billion.

One would need to see the relative size of the loan books to see if its the same/similar percentage

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looks like the co-op have been grabbed by the short and curlies with 2 hedge funds after their blood
doesn’t bode well for the co-op, not what the founders had in mind ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 97589.html

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looks like the co-op have been grabbed by the short and curlies with 2 hedge funds after their blood
doesn’t bode well for the co-op, not what the founders had in mind ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 97589.html

The former boss is trying to accept responsibility for the mess he created. Many customers might jump ship if they change anything. Maybe the Co-op should look at starting another bank?


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Let us know what you find - I have family who bank with them because of their ethics.

Early days, but the two major organizations a lot of people seem to be heading for are the Nationwide and the newly relaunched TSB. TSB's mission statement on their home page says

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We’re here to bring more competition to the UK banking market, and ultimately better banking for all. The way we’ll do that is by serving only individuals and local business customers. That’s why we won’t be offering things like investment banking, or overseas investment, or big corporate finance.
Instead, our 8000 staff will focus simply on looking after £22 billion on behalf of our 4.5million customers. Because the more we can help our customers, and the communities they are part of, to thrive, the more successful TSB will be. We call this kind of balanced, straightforward banking "local banking".
It’s the kind of banking that we believe is the best way to help the households and local businesses that make up the communities of which we are all a part.


Could just be marketing flannel obviously but worth keeping an eye on.

Other than that a lot of people are heading for the smaller regional building societies. Many of those though limit their membership either to a set number (so there's a queue to join) or to a specific geographical area. I was looking at the Cumberland Building Society but it seems I'm just outside their catchment area.


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Credit unions are another alternative. In the US there has been a huge switch away from banks towards credit unions. Most are upset by the fees and the attitudes of the big banks.

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