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PaulKey
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:18 am Posts: 385
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I hold no torch for this guy but..... come on. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8129146.stmSeems to me that our "Justice Secretary" needs an injection of common sense. I really can't see the need for this given then man's current state of health. Hmmmm and to think that I once viewed Jack Straw as a possible future labour leader......
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Tell that to his victims. I see no reason why he should be let out early.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:47 pm |
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AlunD
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:12 am Posts: 7011 Location: Wiltshire
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He spent 30 plus years in Brazil sticking 2 fingers up at the British establishment. I suspect Its their way of saying FU ! ( payback time ).
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:50 pm |
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PaulKey
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:18 am Posts: 385
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A man who is 79, who can barely walk and who, following a stroke, can't swallow and has to be tube fed ?
The guy has served longer than many "hardened" criminals today.
Like I said.... I hold no torch for him but I think this decision is vindictive; and would come back to haunt JS, but I don't think he'll be around for much longer that 12 months for that to happen.
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:55 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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All that says is that criminals today are let out too early.
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:58 pm |
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mars-bar-man
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:00 pm Posts: 940 Location: Pompy
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If he's given a set sentence, he should server it! It's no deterrent if people know they'll be out in half their sentence. Like AlunD said, this is probably the courts saying FU to him for what he did.
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:00 pm |
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Angelic
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:16 pm Posts: 704 Location: Leeds, UK
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Parole is a stupid idea anyway.
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:37 pm |
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gavomatic57
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:30 pm Posts: 1757 Location: Cardiff, Wales
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Didn't someone get a 150 year sentence this week? For fraud I believe.
How many murderers get a sentence anywhere near that? The justice system is in a bit of a mess really isn't it!
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:45 pm |
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Angelic
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:16 pm Posts: 704 Location: Leeds, UK
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Tbh the punishment should match the crime, but it'll never happen so long as there are "humanitarians" around -.-
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:49 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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The guy broke out of gaol. That should surely mean an end to any possibility of parole?
Perhaps they should offer a lethal injection as a more humane and cheaper option.
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:55 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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Bernie Madhoff for a billion pound pyramid scheme/fraud. Well in the US, they have a much more stringent attitude towards gross financial misconduct than we do. Insofar as they think it's a crime and we seem to think it's a career progression. Personally, I have to particular hatred for the bloke but I see no logic for him to be released. His state of health is irrelevant to the function of the sentence he was given. He was sentenced to 30 years in 1964 when he was 35. That essentially says to me the court said 'you will spend the best of the rest of your life in jail. You took that man's life away and therefore you will lose the best of yours'. He fled that sentence and, instead, spent the best years of his life living in relative comfort in Rio. As it stands, justice was not served. In fact I would go as far as to say that, because of his actions, justice cannot fully be served; his productive years have gone and cannot be 'paid' to offset the crime. That being so, 10 years in jail - under free medical care, which he wouldn't have got in Rio - hardly seems like a fair substitute. He has not fairly 'paid' for the crime of which he was convicted. Therefore he should not be released. Whether he is fit and well is irrelevant. Whether he will die in jail is irrelevant. He should be released when justice has been served and, if he dies first, well that's just his bad luck. Jon
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:42 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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That would probably count as assisted suicide which is, of course, illegal in the UK. Jon
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:43 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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So is the death penalty except in a few non-EU countries, and possibly some very specific examples in the military. I do realise my suggestion would require a change in the law. I've always considered it illogical that we treat mad, bad and sick dogs with greater dignity than humans. I'm generally against the death penalty, but I'd be for it as a voluntary option.
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:46 pm |
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Linux_User
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Tue May 05, 2009 3:29 pm Posts: 7173
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The trouble is, how do you know someone hasn't been leant on? "Go on granny, we really need the money!"
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:52 pm |
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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That is the argument, and it's a fair one. Less of an issue with lifers in prison, but you can imagine some elderly people simply thinking they were obliged to stop being a burden... If only everyone was nice, this would not be a problem.
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