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Apple insists it did not work with NSA to create iPhone backdoor program

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... ne-program

Feel free to tell us what comes of your thorough investigation into the NSA :lol: :roll:

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Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:25 pm
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I suspect that with the large nature of most of these businesses it could be possible for an outsider to slip in some code that will be benign for most purposes. It might not even need approval. You might only need one willing and trusted programmer willing to pass of some NSA code as their own and it is in.

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Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:04 pm
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I was reading earlier about something called Dark Mail, which is a proposed successor to SMTP (the system the internet uses to pass email around) which will, in theory, be completely impossible to 'man in the middle' attack - only the receiver and sender will be able to see the message, or indeed that the message was even sent between them. A quote from their kickstarter site..

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Currently the “magma” daemon includes 50,537 lines of custom code written in C. The bundled web applications (registration, webmail, preferences) include approximately 17,152 lines of HTML, 11,426 lines of CSS and 22,190 lines of Javascript. There are currently 0 lines of documentation for the magma project. In addition to the custom code, the magma daemon depends on 19 other f/oss projects that are patched and built specifically to support the server code. These projects combine to add approximately 4,425,586 lines of code to the project.


Firstly - "There are currently 0 lines of documentation" - :lol:

Secondly - just a project to make email non-interceptable requires something like four and a half million lines of code in various computer languages. How anyone can possibly have a detailed enough view of all of that to be able to say with any certainty that it is actually secure and hasn't been tinkered with escapes me. Yes, an open source community can scrutinise each separate part but often security holes appear not in any one part but in the borders where those parts interact. True security is, IMO, impossible in a 'public' online environment where governments and corporations with effectively infinite resources can attempt to compromise them.


Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:26 pm
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NSA statement does not deny 'spying' on members of Congress

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... s-congress

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The statement read: “NSA’s authorities to collect signals intelligence data include procedures that protect the privacy of US persons. Such protections are built into and cut across the entire process. Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all US persons.


How clever of them. Reassurance while avoiding the question and implying Congress shouldn't think itself above the electorate, especially when there's spying to be done.

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NSA statement does not deny 'spying' on members of Congress

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... s-congress

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The statement read: “NSA’s authorities to collect signals intelligence data include procedures that protect the privacy of US persons. Such protections are built into and cut across the entire process. Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all US persons.


How clever of them. Reassurance while avoiding the question and implying Congress shouldn't think itself above the electorate, especially when there's spying to be done.

They are probably more dangerous than the rest of us. They need to be watched. :shock:

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Mass surveillance by security services should be reviewed, say Lib Dems

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... hq-snowden

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Mass surveillance by security services should be reviewed, say Lib Dems

*cough* in government *cough*


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Mass surveillance by security services should be reviewed, say Lib Dems

*cough* in government *cough*

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MEPs seek video link with Snowden for NSA spying probe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25669448

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A UK Conservative MEP, Timothy Kirkhope, voted against the proposed video hook-up with Mr Snowden, and was scathing about the committee's inquiry.

He said Mr Snowden "has endangered lives" and "inviting him at all is a highly irresponsible act by an inquiry that has had little interest in finding out facts".

"At least if Snowden wants to give evidence to MEPs he will now have to come out of the shadows and risk his location being discovered. The committee was clear that if Snowden is not willing to appear in an interactive session then the evidence must not go ahead.

"I doubt whether this evidence will ever happen... Instead of acting like a responsible body charged with finding a good balance between lives and liberties, the Civil Liberties Committee continues to act like a school debating society that is oblivious to the risks the West now faces, and the tactics used by our enemies," he said.


How exactly has Snowden endangered lives? He revealed things the ISC and government apparently didn't know, and they operate as oversight! Who in their right mind trusts agencies that spy on entire countries? Including their own!

And does he really think Snowden's actually gone into hiding when the entire world knows where he is? Or that he'd be stupid enough to put himself in a position to be handed over to Obama's dodgy administration?

And if he thinks any serious terrorist is using digital technology to communicate he really is a fcuking muppet. The security forces will be lucky to pick up radicalised foot soldiers that way. If history has shown us anything it's that you need eyes and ears on the ground.

Christ, maybe I'll send him some Troubles books or something...

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How exactly has Snowden endangered lives? He revealed things the ISC and government apparently didn't know, and they operate as oversight! Who in their right mind trusts agencies that spy on entire countries? Including their own!

I believe the US government has actually been forced to admit on the record that they have no evidence even a single person has been harmed to due to the information released by Snowdon.


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NSA and GCHQ activities appear illegal, says EU parliamentary inquiry

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... ry-inquiry

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How exactly has Snowden endangered lives? He revealed things the ISC and government apparently didn't know, and they operate as oversight! Who in their right mind trusts agencies that spy on entire countries? Including their own!

I believe the US government has actually been forced to admit on the record that they have no evidence even a single person has been harmed to due to the information released by Snowdon.

Overall the leaks have been bad for the UK and the US but these things should not be happening in the first place.

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NSA makes final push to retain most mass surveillance powers

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... inglis-npr

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While Inglis conceded in his NPR interview that at most one terrorist attack might have been foiled by NSA’s bulk collection of all American phone data – a case in San Diego that involved a money transfer from four men to al-Shabaab in Somalia – he described it as an “insurance policy” against future acts of terrorism.

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NSA makes final push to retain most mass surveillance powers

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... inglis-npr

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While Inglis conceded in his NPR interview that at most one terrorist attack might have been foiled by NSA’s bulk collection of all American phone data – a case in San Diego that involved a money transfer from four men to al-Shabaab in Somalia – he described it as an “insurance policy” against future acts of terrorism.

That sounds very vague. Many Somali send money back from whereever they are to their families. The same applies to people from the Philippines to South America. They all work abroad and sent money home via the banks or western union. The fact that Somalis might have a relative who might have a link to al-Shabaab is not necessarily a terrorist funding plot foiled.

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John McCain seeks congressional investigation into 'broken' NSA

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... estigation

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