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Vulnerable people 'being kept prisoner in care homes'

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Tens of thousands of the most vulnerable patients are effectively being kept prisoner in care homes and hospitals through misuse of mental health laws, a damning House of Lords investigation has found.

In the worst cases, safeguards aimed at protecting patients with a range of conditions are being used to oppress people and force decisions on them, peers said.

They found measures supposed to be used to look after at-risk patients – such as those with dementia who might get lost if they left their care home – were being used on a significant scale to deprive them wrongly of their liberty.

The House of Lords committee set up to investigate how mental health reforms introduced in 2005 are working said it was so concerned about deprivation of liberty safeguards that they should be scrapped and a new system drawn up from scratch.

The committee chairman, Lord Hardie, said: "We were very concerned by what we heard about the safeguards. The evidence suggests that tens of thousands of people are being deprived of their liberty without the protection of the law, and without the protection that parliament intended.

"Worse still, in some cases the safeguards are being wilfully used to oppress individuals and to force decisions upon them, regardless of what actions may be in their best interests.

"The criticism of the safeguards extended to the legislative provisions themselves; we were told the provisions were poorly drafted, overly complex and bureaucratic. A senior judge described the experience of trying to write a judgment on the safeguards as feeling 'as if you have been in a washing machine and spin dryer'. Even if implementation could be improved, the legislation itself is flawed.

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Wouldn't surprise me. There definitely needs to be more of a state role, maybe in the form of a visible commissioner with a proper complaints process. There's too many instances of 'playing god' one way or another in these places.

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Social workers regularly try and get people sectioned. It is unwritten policy. It transfers responsibility to the NHS.

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Social workers regularly try and get people sectioned. It is unwritten policy. It transfers responsibility to the NHS.

Care to back that up or have you made that up?

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Social workers regularly try and get people sectioned. It is unwritten policy. It transfers responsibility to the NHS.

Care to back that up or have you made that up?

Personal experience. They tried to have me sectioned 5 times. Every time I saw the psychiatrist they were appalled by my treatment at the hands of social services and said that I was perfectly normal and that my reactions were normal. In fact they even went as far as saying they could not even understand why they thought I was sectionable. Also an ex social worker told me the same thing. They prefer to dump people on the NHS as it will be their budget that becomes liable not social services budget.

They even suggested I might be an Aspberger sufferer. Even my MP who knew me very well could see that I was not.

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So what you mean is:

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Social workers regularly try and get me sectioned. It is unwritten policy. It transfers responsibility to the NHS.

That's surely a different matter entirely.

Your having had some bad experiences with some social workers in a certain place means neither that social workers make it a personal habit to try to ram clients into the funny farm nor that your experience is repeated around the country.

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rustybucket wrote:
So what you mean is:

Amnesia10 wrote:
Social workers regularly try and get me sectioned. It is unwritten policy. It transfers responsibility to the NHS.

That's surely a different matter entirely.

Your having had some bad experiences with some social workers in a certain place means neither that social workers make it a personal habit to try to ram clients into the funny farm nor that your experience is repeated around the country.

I was not alone. One ex social workers said that the system changes people. They enter with good intentions. They get ground down because they are not allowed to spend money and help people and eventually those wanting to help leave disillusioned and join charities. The opinion of one ex social worker is that many have problems of their own and can hide in the department. It was her who told me that it was positively encouraged to find mental problems so they can refer them and becomes an NHS problem. Also this was the experience of another council so not one rogue department or my problems with a team.

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Social workers regularly try and get people sectioned. It is unwritten policy. It transfers responsibility to the NHS.


when, old and have no means of paying for care, they then get transferred to the NHS there is always the LCP ...

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Social workers regularly try and get people sectioned. It is unwritten policy. It transfers responsibility to the NHS.


and when they get transferred to the NHS there is always the LCP ...

... which has absolutely nothing to do with mental health.

You appear to be playing reverse Mallet's mallet

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rustybucket wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Social workers regularly try and get people sectioned. It is unwritten policy. It transfers responsibility to the NHS.


and when they get transferred to the NHS there is always the LCP ...

... which has absolutely nothing to do with mental health.

You appear to be playing reverse Mallet's mallet


does it not, i beg to differ
but i prefer occams razor ...

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rustybucket wrote:
MrStevenRogers wrote:
and when they get transferred to the NHS there is always the LCP ...

... which has absolutely nothing to do with mental health.

You appear to be playing reverse Mallet's mallet


does it not, i beg to differ
but i prefer occams razor ...

... and now you appear to be playing "Go out to buy a Cro-Magnon/English phrasebook but forget to take the very important tablets"

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