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I was a Bolton Wanderers fan from childhood and have many very happy (and not so happy) memories. However, IMO 60k/week is an obscene amount for any human; it's why I've stopped watching football.

To get a title and therefore revenues you have to buy your skill, the pricing of players is only a reflection of the demand for fottballing skill. I'd rather have a massive payroll and competitive football league than whatever else people would emplace. Free market forces.


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Premier League clubs boast £3.1bn of debt

The 20 Premier League teams owe £3.1bn between them. This club-by-club guide break down who owes what


economics my eye, greed pure and simple they wring as much as they can get from supporters
no way will i support there big pay days. be they players, management or super rich owners
and the sooner some/most/any of them go bust the better it will be for all sport …

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... eague-debt

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I've always suspected the PL was just a fantastic way to launder money or avoid tax tbh, with it's ex Thai PMs and dodgy Russian billionaires :?

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eddie543 wrote:
Well I'm happy to confirm that economics has decided that they are worth what they are paid.

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Premier League clubs boast £3.1bn of debt

The 20 Premier League teams owe £3.1bn between them. This club-by-club guide break down who owes what

Eddie - Cough, And the economics are? :D
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economics my eye, greed pure and simple they wring as much as they can get from supporters no way will i support there big pay days. be they players, management or super rich owners
and the sooner some/most/any of them go bust the better it will be for all sport …

Totally agree with you sah.

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I personally think it's staggering the amount footballers are paid to kick a ball round when someone who could save your life gets less in a year than a footballer does in a week.

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I personally think it's staggering the amount footballers are paid to kick a ball round when someone who could save your life gets less in a year than a footballer does in a week.


Yup but I got called all sorts of rude names for suggesting that earlier :D

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eddie543 wrote:
Well I'm happy to confirm that economics has decided that they are worth what they are paid.

MrStevenRogers wrote:
Premier League clubs boast £3.1bn of debt

The 20 Premier League teams owe £3.1bn between them. This club-by-club guide break down who owes what

Eddie - Cough, And the economics are? :D
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economics my eye, greed pure and simple they wring as much as they can get from supporters no way will i support there big pay days. be they players, management or super rich owners
and the sooner some/most/any of them go bust the better it will be for all sport …

Totally agree with you sah.


£650 million + of that united's and it was forced on them.
Newcastle are out of the league.

Most of the clubs are making a profit and furthermore it's not about the profit it's the prestige, you are buying a title and because every other team wants it they are prepared to pay more and more to get it. The economics of demand and supply.

Reactionary gealous verbal [LIFTED] based on an arrogant belief that they don't deserve that and you might want more in your life. Tough anyone can do our jobs who can do a premier league footballers?c

the fact of the matter is that if twice as many people could play aswell as prem footballers worldwide then it would half the price and if everyone could thered be no price.


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Reactionary gealous verbal [LIFTED] based on an arrogant belief that they don't deserve that and you might want more in your life.

:lol: Brilliant :roll: </sarcasm>

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Tough anyone can do our jobs who can do a premier league footballers?

the fact of the matter is that if twice as many people could play aswell as prem footballers worldwide then it would half the price and if everyone could thered be no price.


Actually I would say very few people can do my job. So therefore I should be paid an stupidly high amount of dosh. Unfortunately that sort of argument does not follow. :cry:


I can safely say there isn't that many people who have done isotope ratios in metal determinations in complex organic matrices. :ugeek:

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I care not which way round it is as long as at some point some sort of semi-naked wrestling is involved.

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Tough anyone can do our jobs who can do a premier league footballers?

the fact of the matter is that if twice as many people could play aswell as prem footballers worldwide then it would half the price and if everyone could thered be no price.

There can't be that many foresters providing technical support for a conference centre with teaching experience and 20 years in electronics surely?

I truthfully don't think footballers deserve the wages they get. The market might be willing to pay those wages but that's an economic answer to an ethical question.

Given all the ways in which 60k per week per recipient could be better spent (e.g. Green techs research, third world aid, third world debt, child poverty, transport infrastructure, nuclear disarmament), I find it to be an egregious waste of money.

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Happy to confirm that I wouldn't pay any footballer £1k per week as they do not deserve it. :D

That's only £52k a year. There are plenty of normal jobs that pay that.
I'd say that a really good jobs pays £100k a year (£2k a week), a football career is only 10 years instead of 40, so £8k a week could be a maximum justifiable amount.

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Happy to confirm that I wouldn't pay any footballer £1k per week as they do not deserve it. :D

That's only £52k a year. There are plenty of normal jobs that pay that.
I'd say that a really good jobs pays £100k a year (£2k a week), a football career is only 10 years instead of 40, so £8k a week could be a maximum justifiable amount.


I can follow that logic and that would include sponsorship.

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AlunD wrote:
Happy to confirm that I wouldn't pay any footballer £1k per week as they do not deserve it. :D

That's only £52k a year. There are plenty of normal jobs that pay that.
I'd say that a really good jobs pays £100k a year (£2k a week), a football career is only 10 years instead of 40, so £8k a week could be a maximum justifiable amount.


Though they do accrue 3/80 for every year and for those that joined before 2006 they can retire at 35! (Those that joined afterwards can retire at 55) and draw a full pension.

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I care not which way round it is as long as at some point some sort of semi-naked wrestling is involved.

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I personally think it's staggering the amount footballers are paid to kick a ball round when someone who could save your life gets less in a year than a footballer does in a week.


Footballers and their WAGs help you forget your mortality. Medics serve to remind you of it. :?

I really don’t follow sport. I think the money involved is gratuitous and obscene. An entire class of middle class royalty has been created by all of this free floating cash. I was gladdened when Sentata failed. Why/ Well, I actually want to see money float out of sport. Sports people bitch and moan that their particular discipline is under funded. I fail to see that underfunding when I travel into London and see what is happening in Stratford. I fail to see the underfunding when a Footballer’s wages could buy a European principality. I fail to see underfunding when I see special sports events advertised on Sky for £15 for a couple of hours. I fail to see underfunding when I see a sports event on the TV and I see that the sponsors’ names on the shirts are more prominent than that name of the team.

In short - the money is there. It is very, very poorly distributed.

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In short - the money is there. It is very, very poorly distributed.


Depends who you're dealing with:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8127790.stm

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