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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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davrosG5
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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I suspect it's not just Scotland that would be in favour of a more federal organisation for the UK - the North East, North West, South West of England and Wales at the very least would all probably be delighted to have more control taken away from the inward looking Westminster village.
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Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:15 am |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Just let em go if they want to. Just make sure they take their share of the debt with them.
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Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:19 am |
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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Just give England a vote for independence and all problems about Scotland dissappear [WINKING FACE]
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Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:31 am |
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MrStevenRogers
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:44 pm Posts: 4860
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+1 i would call their bluff no deals for remaining within the union, none whatsoever under any circumstances nothing for leaving the union as Scotland is independent Scotland is INDEPENDENT, Scotland learn to live with it ...
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Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:22 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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They seem to forget that the union was formed in the first place as Scotland was pretty much bankrupt.
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Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:25 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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I personally think we should let them go, then line up our armies and take it back. If only to teach the rest a lesson.
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Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:04 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Na. If they ever want back in, we should have a referendum with the question.... 'Should we tell the ungrateful Scots to [LIFTED] off?'
Joking by the way.
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Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:54 pm |
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PaulKey
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:18 am Posts: 385
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I agree...... but I'm not joking.
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Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:44 pm |
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paulzolo
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:27 pm Posts: 12251
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Don't worry - Gordon Brown's surfaced for the No campaign. So it's going to be a YES vote.
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Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:14 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Probably.
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Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:43 pm |
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ShockWaffle
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:50 am Posts: 1911
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The last time that was floated (2004) the plan for devolved parliament in North East England was so overwhelmingly rejected (79% no vote) that two similar referendums were abandoned as pointless. In 2012, 9 English cities were offered referendums on elected mayors with powers vaguely similar to Boris'. Only Bristol voted yes (the 10th, Doncaster, voted to keep their existing elected mayor). The English it seems, CBA with decentralized powers.
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Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:10 am |
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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why have another layer of politicians ignoring there electorate and sticking their noses in the trough.
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Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:30 pm |
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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We don't need more layers of politicians and paperwork. Stop the Scots MP's voting on English only issues. Problem solved
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Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:08 pm |
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ShockWaffle
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:50 am Posts: 1911
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I guess that depends on how you think about layers. If powers are genuinely devolved, no set of decisions is being made at two of those layers, so a devolved parliament is a relocation of a layer rather than its multiplication. The cost of feeding the piggies from the public trough is negligible. The whole gravy train is a pittance hiding in the shadow of a rounding error, and we constantly harm our own democracy by focusing on that while ignoring important things. The real costs of government are opportunity costs. The lost opportunities that come from spending money on fighter planes instead of universities; on expensive pointless trams instead of cheap effective buses, and so on. The theory is that devolved institutions are better able to integrate spending plans, so that monies allocated to housing and transport and education are all spent according to one authorities greater plan. It's the one-throat-to-choke principle, with the idea being that this only works if the throat is within reach.
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