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try going to the USA without medical insurance and/or other non EU country’s


From the US Embassy's site:
"What do I do about health insurance?

There is no equivalent of the National Health Service in the United States. Visitors and temporary residents are required to pay their own medical costs. As a result it is advisable to take out health insurance. Temporary visitors to the United States can obtain accident and sickness insurance before departing the United Kingdom. Most local insurance brokers as well as many travel agents can arrange such coverage with insurance firms in the United Kingdom. Those planning on remaining in the United States for any length of time or permanently may obtain health insurance after arrival there. Sometimes it is available through an employer, as many companies arrange group insurance for their employees."

So, merely advisable, not necessary. You'll just be expected to pay the cost instead of your insurer. It is not a barrier to entry in the USA.
Same for Australia, as far as I can discern. Which countries have medical insurance as a requirement for entry?


please try booking a ticket to the USA without medical insurance
you will not get passed the visa application stage, go on try

i also trained with US forces i have right of entry but still require medical insurance

also try Australia and NZ :)

ps. i have a dual passport UK and NZ, go on try. dare ya

post back the results please ...

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please try booking a ticket to the USA without medical insurance
you will not get passed the visa application stage, go on try

i also trained with US forces i have right of entry but still require medical insurance


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also try Australia and NZ :)

ps. i have a dual passport UK and NZ, go on try. dare ya

post back the results please ...

New Zealand's immigration page:
"Medical insurance
We recommend that you have comprehensive medical insurance for the duration of your visit. If you are from the United Kingdom or Australia, you will get the same immediate medical coverage as a New Zealand citizen or resident, thanks to our Reciprocal Health Agreements."

And, as I've already posted, the USA embassy's advice is that isn't a requirement, but it is advisory. I've also got a friend visiting Orlando at this moment, and he's not bothered with anything more than travel insurance.
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i did state Reciprocal Health Agreements

i don’t think you have been reading the posts

as of your friend, unknown to me, which/what/may/may not have ...

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i did state Reciprocal Health Agreements

i don’t think you have been reading the posts

as of your friend, unknown to me, which/what/may/may not have ...

No, I have been reading them - you stated you're required to have medical insurance to enter, and after checking with a friend who's there right now on holiday, and another friend who moved there to marry, it turns out you don't.
Lack of medical insurance is not a barrier to entry to the USA.

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i did state Reciprocal Health Agreements

i don’t think you have been reading the posts

as of your friend, unknown to me, which/what/may/may not have ...

No, I have been reading them - you stated you're required to have medical insurance to enter, and after checking with a friend who's there right now on holiday, and another friend who moved there to marry, it turns out you don't.
Lack of medical insurance is not a barrier to entry to the USA.


is it a green card ?
as of holiday its auto on the travel insurance

without such please apply for a visa ...

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i will vote UKIP for one policy only, to get out of the EU
i'm not interested in any other policy but i may agree, or not, with others. as i do with any or all other political parties policy’s


I'm genuinely curious to know at what point you'd change that. For example, if they also had a policy that everyone over the age of 70 should be euthanised, or that all first borns should be slaughtered at birth, would you still vote for them?

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i will vote UKIP for one policy only, to get out of the EU
i'm not interested in any other policy but i may agree, or not, with others. as i do with any or all other political parties policy’s


I'm genuinely curious to know at what point you'd change that. For example, if they also had a policy that everyone over the age of 70 should be euthanised, or that all first borns should be slaughtered at birth, would you still vote for them?


voted lib dems for the tax allowance
would vote for the devil himself if that means more money for a working family

but will vote for UKIP to get out of the EU

the rest i don’t really care about, it will be sorted in time regardless ...

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is it a green card ?
as of holiday its auto on the travel insurance

without such please apply for a visa ...


She's actually married now, and a naturalised citizen of the USA.
This, however, is not the topic we were discussing.
We're talking about this idea that lack of medical insurance is a barrier to entry - that you'd be refused entry.
Which it isn't.

This is all somewhat distracting from Farage's original point that
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Mr Farage told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the UK's public services could not cope with extra demand created by people with severe medical conditions coming to Britain.

"We want people to come who have got trades and skills, but we don't want people who have got criminal records - and we can't afford people with life-threatening diseases," he said.


This is essentially a tactic to distract you, make believe there's some vast drain on our resources posed by these people (why else would he mention it, after all).
On the face of it, it seems quite reasonable. Think on a little further about the actual problem - a drain on the NHS - and you'll realise it isn't foreign nationals that are at fault. This is like fixing a high water bill by blaming the neighbour for drinking your tea when they pop round instead of mending the leak in the pipe.

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MrStevenRogers wrote:
is it a green card ?
as of holiday its auto on the travel insurance

without such please apply for a visa ...


She's actually married now, and a naturalised citizen of the USA.
This, however, is not the topic we were discussing.
We're talking about this idea that lack of medical insurance is a barrier to entry - that you'd be refused entry.
Which it isn't.

This is all somewhat distracting from Farage's original point that
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Mr Farage told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the UK's public services could not cope with extra demand created by people with severe medical conditions coming to Britain.

"We want people to come who have got trades and skills, but we don't want people who have got criminal records - and we can't afford people with life-threatening diseases," he said.


This is essentially a tactic to distract you, make believe there's some vast drain on our resources posed by these people (why else would he mention it, after all).
On the face of it, it seems quite reasonable. Think on a little further about the actual problem - a drain on the NHS - and you'll realise it isn't foreign nationals that are at fault. This is like fixing a high water bill by blaming the neighbour for drinking your tea when they pop round instead of mending the leak in the pipe.


yes it is and i require it as 'law' for this country
UKIP may provide that answer ...

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UKIP may provide that answer ...


And that's like [LIFTED] the hotel bed on your arrival in protest about the state of the room, only to realise you're booked in for 4 years.
Nigel Farage absolutely does not have your best interests in mind, Steven.

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UKIP may provide that answer ...


And that's like [LIFTED] the hotel bed on your arrival in protest about the state of the room, only to realise you're booked in for 4 years.
Nigel Farage absolutely does not have your best interests in mind, Steven.


my mother only called me 'Steven'
do you wish to dig her up ...

i will look after the best interests of this family, by all means possible.
and at this time UKIP is the best option for this family ...

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For example, if they also had a policy that everyone over the age of 70 should be euthanised, or that all first borns should be slaughtered at birth, would you still vote for them?

Neither of those sound that extreame to me :lol:

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jonlumb wrote:
For example, if they also had a policy that everyone over the age of 70 should be euthanised, or that all first borns should be slaughtered at birth, would you still vote for them?

Neither of those sound that extreame to me :lol:

Are we diversifying in the Soylent green production then?
Foreigners who are allowed to live in the UK should be assessed on the same conditions as local people.
for example, if I go back to France, despite being French, as I don't pay into the system, I am liable to the whole cost of medical care, just as any other visitor to the country, because care there is not free at point of entry.

** apart from anything covered by EHIC system.


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i will look after the best interests of this family, by all means possible.
and at this time UKIP is the best option for this family ...


Umm, no you won't be looking after your family's best interests. You've just said you'll vote for them on the basis of one policy, regardless of what other policies they support.

What if UKIP changed their policy? Would you then vote for the BNP if they commit to withdrawal from Europe? Or how about the EDL, assuming they manage to steal a seat in parliament?

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i will look after the best interests of this family, by all means possible.
and at this time UKIP is the best option for this family ...


Umm, no you won't be looking after your family's best interests. You've just said you'll vote for them on the basis of one policy, regardless of what other policies they support.

What if UKIP changed their policy? Would you then vote for the BNP if they commit to withdrawal from Europe? Or how about the EDL, assuming they manage to steal a seat in parliament?

Assuming you would vote for X party – and that can be any of them – it is unlikely that you will agree with 100% of their policies. It is also unlikely that all policies are equal – some will have a higher priority to you than others

e.g. a Parties manifesto says: we will
Increase the higher rate tax to 55% pay for better pubic services
And
Change the colour of double yellow lines to double green lines.

The 1st policy may be very important to you while the second may in your mind be stupid, idiotic and a waste of money BUT in the greater scheme of things is not a reason not to vote for that party so you will vote for Party X

I could now come up with 101 scenarios that would at some stage make you withdraw your vote from Party X. In the real world you will look at what each party promises and balance that on how that will help your family / the wider community. You may accept a small cut in your take home pay – higher tax for the “Good of the community” – better public services but there will come a point when you don’t accept that trade off

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