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Jonathan Ive: Apple is not driven by money 
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But, for example, if you have standardised on "aluminium look" for all PCs in the workplace and your supplier suddenly switches to going back to beige, you can switch supplier for one that does keep the "general" coporate style.


Yes; I can see how that would be a huge problem. :roll:

You haven't worked for my ex-boss! I've seen keyboards, coffee mugs etc. fly through windows, because they weren't following the "corporate look and feel"!

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Maybe the answer is to just use Linux!

If you got Adobe to produce CS for Linux, it wouldn't allow you to switch to OS X, Windows, BSD etc. at a later date. ;)

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You haven't worked for my ex-boss! I've seen keyboards, coffee mugs etc. fly through windows, because they weren't following the "corporate look and feel"!


Mac user, was he?

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If you got Adobe to produce CS for Linux, it wouldn't allow you to switch to OS X, Windows, BSD etc. at a later date. ;)


It would let you, but you'd have to pay double. :)


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big_D wrote:
But, for example, if you have standardised on "aluminium look" for all PCs in the workplace and your supplier suddenly switches to going back to beige, you can switch supplier for one that does keep the "general" coporate style.


Yes; I can see how that would be a huge problem. :roll:

Third-party software pricing and licensing is the real problem. Whether it's on Windows or Mac - either way you're locked in. And "running Windows on a Mac" isn't really an elegant solution, although if you want to keep that argument it could be said that you can happily run OS X on a PC. (Yes, yes, I know a Mac is a PC, you know what I'm saying.)

Maybe the answer is to just use Linux!


What would be nice is if the license key was cross-platform, so that you just need to get the installation media and use the key you paid a few grand for on the OS of your choice as long as it is only installed on one platform at any one time, I don't see what the problem is.

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What would be nice is if the license key was cross-platform, so that you just need to get the installation media and use the key you paid a few grand for on the OS of your choice as long as it is only installed on one platform at any one time, I don't see what the problem is.


Now, you see, the problem with your suggestion is that it's based on what's known as "common sense", not something a lot of these places are blessed with when it comes to dealing with their long-suffering customers.


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What would be nice is if the license key was cross-platform, so that you just need to get the installation media and use the key you paid a few grand for on the OS of your choice as long as it is only installed on one platform at any one time, I don't see what the problem is.


Now, you see, the problem with your suggestion is that it's based on what's known as "common sense", not something a lot of these places are blessed with when it comes to dealing with their long-suffering customers.


This is true and it is why the future is open source! If GIMP was a match for Photoshop, I wonder how Adobe would respond!

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Its probably true,,but then are MS, HP, Sony et al "driven by Money"? I rather doubt that its much different in all these blue-chip companies: they are fundamentally product, rather than bottom-line led.
Having said that the phrases "fiduciary responsibility" and "Shareholder Value" became (and likely still are) paramount during the recent boom. These two innocent-sounding mottos actually mean a world of pain for us all, as they are very much about gouging as much profit for as little investment as is possible. That includes Apple. The outcome of all this is that corporations are now seriously into cutting as many corners as they can (hence all the "offshored" support etc) irrespective of the effect on customers. As long as you can get away with it, do it. Apple are no different.

What I am highlighting is that eternal tension between the "enthusiasts" and the bean-counters. The Designers, Engineers, Software Developers etc. etc are probably all for making the best possible product but the bean-counters are all about that bottom line: Apple, HP, Sony, Acer...... it makes no difference. What changes is the target market. Are you "boutique" like Apple; mass-market like Acer, or are you solid quality aimed at business like HP?
Depending on the answer to that one you'll make your cases out of Aluminium or steel, custom design, or OEM from ASUS etc. etc.


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