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AlunD
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:12 am Posts: 7011 Location: Wiltshire
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I'm honestly baffled by the governments reaction to this sort of thing. Luton family of 12 'may have fled to Syria' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-33347117Why are we trying to stop them going ( this is just an example )? Just make it plain that they will never be allowed to return. Surely its not up to the British government to stop people leaving the country, other than to avoid arrest for breaking our laws?
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John_Vella
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:55 am Posts: 7935 Location: Manchester.
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Couldn't agree more. If you don't want to stay then don't. Just understand that once you walk away there's no going back. For you or your children.
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:39 pm |
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didgeman
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:18 pm Posts: 289
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International law doesn't allow you to leave a person "stateless", so we would not be able to prevent them from returning. We could lock them up etc on their return but we would not be allowed to refuse them re-entry to the country.
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:11 pm |
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Spreadie
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:06 pm Posts: 6355 Location: IoW
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Really? I thought the Home Secretary had already ruled out the possibility of known Jihadists returning to the uk?
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AlunD
Site Admin
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:12 am Posts: 7011 Location: Wiltshire
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Yes I was under that impression as well.
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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+1 to that in principle, but we can't remove their citizenship if they were born here.
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:56 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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I do wonder exactly what would happen if someone pitched up at immigration back from playing in the IS sandpit waving their passport and the guys at the portcullis just stood there saying 'No, [Lifted] off'.
In theory they could hire a lawyer and argue it out in court but I'd imagine that would be a tricky prospect to do airside of the terminal.
It's what most other european nations would do. I guarantee the Italian border guys would just give you a disdainful look and shrug their shoulders.
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:00 pm |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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UK strategy of not attacking Isis in Syria is illogical, says defence secretary | World news | The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/j ... -secretaryRe. bit at the end. Oh yes, one of their main concerns is Britain How about we have a strong word with the Saudi sickos first before we jump in, eh? And I mean a stronger word than we had with Pakistan...
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:41 pm |
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didgeman
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:18 pm Posts: 289
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The govt can, and often do, pronounce policy that is "illegal" - my guess is they know they would be on the losing end of the argument (legally speaking) and so have not tried to enact the policy.
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:06 am |
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oceanicitl
Official forum cat lady
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:04 am Posts: 11039 Location: London
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Let them go. We have enough people trying to come in to the country so the more that leave the merrier 
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:13 am |
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John_Vella
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:55 am Posts: 7935 Location: Manchester.
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Maybe it's time to change the law. Given that we are, as far as I'm aware, still engaged in the "War against terror", drastic measures may be called for.
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:15 am |
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didgeman
Occasionally has a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:18 pm Posts: 289
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Its not a matter of changing our law, but international legal treaties for which we are signatories ..
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:21 am |
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MrStevenRogers
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:44 pm Posts: 4860
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totally agree. let them go the law needs to be changed on who can enter or re-enter the country as of illegals my personal option would be shoot on sight ...
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:33 pm |
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oceanicitl
Official forum cat lady
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:04 am Posts: 11039 Location: London
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Or we do what the Americans do and let everyone have guns. They'll soon start shooting each other *natural selection* 
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:14 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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Sadly stupid people are equally likely to shoot smart people as other stupid people. Michael Fallon is .. well I'd rather not say. if he thinks attacking ISIS directly is a good idea that means it almost certainly isn't.
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:39 pm |
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