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UK in UKIP means "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland". Last time I looked, that included Scotland.

it does include scotland yes, and rightly so, wonder if enough people will wake up to BBC brainwashing and the lies etc of the other parties etc that everyone on here seems so obsessed about, the dictator global agenda ones, farage and putin may the worlds only remaining hope

Bratty, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you know a lot of people whose families at least would have been immigrants?

not sure what people and families you are referring to

Well there's my family for starters. My paternal ancestors arrived here from Normandy in the 12th century.

And Bratty, being a ginger, probably has ancestors from the early Iron age Hallstatt culture in Central Europe.

Bloody foreigners!

Haven't I seen you mention Indian and Turkish friends?

pakistani friends yes, who werent one of the illegally entered "refugee" type that leeches off peoples taxmoney, they have their own businesses etc

Point is, UKIP are talking about keeping out legal AND illegal immigrants, not even refugees. They're barely disguised racists.

mightve known he was too good to be true

No.

1. Refugee status can only be granted to someone who reports to the authorities.
2. Illegal entry means someone does not report to the authorities

How does someone both:

• report to the authorities and
• not report to the authorities?

You seem to be proposing Schroedinger's Refugee. What is the half life of misery? Is there a refugee in a hermetically-sealed casket with a vial of poison controlled by the decay of a single particle of fear? Perhaps, if your magic mushroom-logic holds, we could power the National Grid by colliding immigrants with ex-pats: one would expect a colossal amount of energy to be released in the annihilation...

Maybe if you'd read anything other than Ivor Hatstand's "1001 Excremental Outpourings for the Logically-Disinclined", you might have come across something even vaguely connected to reality.

Labour 'must stop infighting and focus on May elections' | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -elections

Right, Jez, get him onside there.

'Divisive' Corbyn will wreck Labour's chances, says Mandelson | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -mandelson

Listen to the man who did everything he's accusing Corbyn of and more, someone who probably could count his Labour friends on one hand these days and has sniped and briefed from the sidelines at everyone who wasn't a Blairite.

Story about Mandelson...


He stood for Chancellor of Manchester Uni, where I work. Purely a ceremonial position but has some cache' to it. It's an elected position. He has, as far as I know, no association with the University at all. Never studied there, never even given a public lecture there or anything. May never even have set foot in the place. He was up against a poet who was local and was a graduate of the uni, and a local business executive type.

Each candidate has to be nominated by 10 people who are able to vote in the election - that is current students & staff, graduates and a few others. These nominees were listed on the ballot paper. It was noticeable what while the poet and local business bloke had local people and noted academics as their sponsors, all of Mandelson's sponsors had very 'business executive' job titles, and none of them seemed to have very much to do with the Uni either, other than having graduated from it 30 years before.

Needless to say, given what you'd describe as good honest politics never seemed to be his forte, he lost. Badly. IIRC, he got something like 4% of the vote. The poet won in the end. We assumed that we'd heard the last of it.

Three months later, someone spots an announcement in the local paper - he's been appointed Chancellor of Manchester Metropolitan University, which is the former Manchester Polytechnic just down the road. They hadn't bothered with an election, and nobody I've talked to about it who works there - we share some infrastructure stuff like common halls of residence and what have you - knew anything about it until it was announced. It seemed to be a fait accompli, and the rumour is the previous incumbent didn't know he was out of a job until the announcement either.

So that about sums up Mandy as far as I'm concerned. If you can't get what you want by democratic means, get it by non-democratic ones instead.

I could well believe it. This always made me laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWKBe7L50VA

Labour could stop cooperating with Tories in protest at party funding cuts | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... nding-cuts

I'd no idea they sorted votes out that way

With regards to the funding cuts, they're like something Mugabe would have dreamed up if he was feeling especially charitable.