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cloaked_wolf
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34859860 |  |  |  | Quote: Junior doctors in England have overwhelmingly voted in favour of going on strike in their dispute with ministers over a new contract. Some 98% voted in favour of a full strike and 99% in favour of action just short of a full strike. The first walk-out will start on 1 December with another two dates earmarked for later in the month. The British Medical Association said it was "inevitable" disruption would be caused to patients. The action is likely to lead to the cancelling and rescheduling of thousands of routine appointments, tests and operations with the NHS forced to prioritise emergency cases. BMA leaders said they regretted this, but added ministers had left them no choice because the contract was "unsafe".
The union has asked the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (Acas) to get involved to offer independent arbitration - something the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, which normally stays out of politics, has said it supports. The dates for industrial action are:
08:00 GMT 1 December to 08:00 GMT 2 December (junior doctors to staff emergency care) 08:00 GMT to 17:00 8 December (full strike) 08:00 GMT to 17:00 16 December (full strike)
The BMA balloted just over 37,700 members - over two-thirds of the workforce - and 76% took part in the ballot.
What will happen in a strike? Services will be disrupted, make no mistake about that. But the British Medical Association argues the aim of doctors taking part will not be to maximise that - as is the goal in many other industrial disputes. On the first day of action that has been earmarked, junior doctors will still staff emergency care. On the other two dates, they will walk out in the knowledge there will be other medics - consultants, staff doctors and locums - that can plug the gaps. Whether that will be enough for hard-pressed emergency services will be argued over ahead, during and after any walkout. What is certain, though, is routine services will suffer. Hip operations, knee replacement and routine clinics will have to be cancelled.
In fact, as happened the last time doctors took action in 2012, over pensions, expect hospitals to start rearranging services in advance. The vote comes after thousands of doctors have taken part in a series of protests in recent months in the contract dispute. Talks broke down last year, and ministers have since said they will impose the new contract from next year. As the ballot papers went out a fortnight ago, Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt made a last ditch attempt to persuade doctors to accept the offer. He wrote to all the doctors in the country with a fresh offer. It included a promise of an 11% rise in basic pay, but the BMA said this was misleading as it was offset by curbs to other elements of the pay package, including unsociable hours payments.
Ministers have promised to protect pay for the first three years of the deal. But the BMA has said there are insufficient safeguards to stop hospitals overworking doctors and they could lose out financially in the long term. After the result of the ballot was announced, BMA leader Dr Mark Porter said: "We regret the inevitable disruption that this will cause but it is the government's adamant insistence on imposing a contract that is unsafe for patients in the future, and unfair for doctors now and in the future, that has brought us to this point. "Our message to him is that junior doctors have today made their views perfectly clear but that it is still possible to get back around the negotiating table to deliver a contract that is safe for patients, contains the necessary contractual safeguards to prevent junior doctors being overworked and properly recognises evening and weekend work."
Meanwhile, Labour shadow health secretary Heidi Alexander has written to the prime minister to ask him to intervene, saying the profession had "lost confidence" in Mr Hunt. She also wants to see independent arbitration. The letter - seen by the BBC - says: "With the NHS facing its most difficult winter in recent memory, and the prospect of industrial action now looming, it is imperative that urgent steps are taken to resolve this dispute." Roger Goss, of the campaign group Patient Concern, criticised the way both sides had handled the dispute but said doctors should not go on strike.
"This is the worst news for patients in the history of the NHS. What happened to the promise that the interests of patients are paramount and we put patients first? Any honourable doctor with a genuine vocation who wants to preserve the high esteem which the medical profession currently enjoys will refuse to cause suffering inherent in a full-scale walk-out."
Scotland and Wales have said they do not want to introduce the contract changes, while Northern Ireland has yet to make a decision. |  |  |  |  |
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:54 am |
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jonbwfc
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That's a pretty much unprecedented result on a very large turnout. There's no way the government are going to be able to prevent that strike from happening other than by giving in (i.e. they haven't got a cat in hell's chance of it being ruled illegal), and I can't see Hunt giving in because he's both incredibly arrogant and patently as dumb as a rock. So there's either going to be a strike or a very quick 'reshuffle'.
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:52 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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Strike called off http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34965603It's still disrupted planned services for today but I'm still frustrated as IMO the strike should have gone ahead. I don't know whether the threat alone was enough or whether it's just made all junior docs look pathetic for not going through with it. The Twunt should have listened before things got to this stage. But I don't trust him, least of any politician. This looks like delaying tactics from him. All "promises" and no action. Promises from politicians should be regarded as contempt until it has been fulfilled. At the moment, Twunt has said there's a "temporary time limited lifting" of the imposition of the contract. Either he has decided not to impose the contract, or he's definitely going to impose it (most likely) but the "promise" of talk was a delaying tactic. Strike, dammit.
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I disagree.
The publicly-stated aim of the strike was to force the government to re-open negotiations. At the moment, there's a lot of good will behind the doctors. However, the government has at least given the appearance of starting to talk and the headlines would start to turn against the doctors if they didn't also back down.
Best thing is to enter into the talks and, when the inevitable dipsh!tting happens, re-ballot for another strike. And if that happens, don't fcuk about - do a proper, full-on walk out.
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:17 am |
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paulzolo
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Hunt was bleating about the doctors not negotiating quickly enough, forgetting it was he who dragged his feet when the BMA invited him to talks at ACAS.
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:17 am |
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jonbwfc
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They don't need to, the strike mandate has been legally extended to account for the period of negotiations. If Hunt acts like a dick, they can just announce new strike dates without a re-ballot. I think this is true for a period of months. Unless the positions of both parties materially changes, the mandate they have still stands after all.
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:03 pm |
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cloaked_wolf
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As I understand it, there's only a month in which they can strike. Otherwise BMA has to re ballot and you can bet a lot of docs won't bother when this happens.
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:55 pm |
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jonbwfc
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According to quick google, they have until January 13th to announce a new strike date should they wish to. After that, they'd need to reballot before they could schedule action. Which means I suspect unless the dispute is resolved we'll get new strike dates announced on January 12th.
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Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:42 pm |
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Junior doctors likely to strike as government talks falter | Society | The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... lks-falterGood on them.
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By the end of my first year as a doctor, I was ready to kill myself | Healthcare Professionals Network | The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-n ... spital-nhsJeremy doesn't give a sh1t, he's got a career to think of! Also, the sooner you're gone the sooner he can sell the NHS off and become a type of consultant himself 
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Junior doctors' strike to go ahead after talks fail | Society | The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016 ... talks-fail
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Linking junior doctors and terror is cheap politics | Barbara Ellen | Opinion | The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... eremy-huntI'd expect nothing more from Cnut's sycophants, but it'd be nice if such a story went mainstream. Meanwhile the Beeb are being criticised for breaking a story...
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jonbwfc
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It gets better... Hunt accuses BMA of using doctors' strike for political point scoringI actually literally spat my coffee out when I saw that. Hunt has more brass neck than that Mao statue they've just dismantled.
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An exhaustive process? Calling people and having them do the sums? And what's the point of that in places where you don't have enough beds never mind doctors? Know what I want when I go into hospital? Treated by someone who is one groan away from being a zombie they're that exhausted.
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jonbwfc
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If the government want the strike not to happen there's a simple way they can do that.
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