i believe the prediction of race wars is wrong its more of a war by a single religion on everybody else, which seems to have already started ...

So, when one prediction starts to wane, you latch on to another?

Looking forward to seeing your overwhelming "out" vote.

Oh this is one of those threads.

I'm pro, if only for all the good stuff the EU has brought us. Man cannot live on trade deals alone.

a different view ...



and free open borders are working ... not
just remember there are not just thousands or 10s of thousands coming illegally to the EU but millions
you wanted a war ... well ... you have just been given one on plate which we didnt create. vote OUT ...

David Cameron 'not in a hurry' to hold EU referendum | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -migration

'Though I can't speak for my party on that.'

cant understand why so many would be for such an evil corrupt union... its beyond me

The problem is the collective are still less evil and more useful than those who generally oppose it. At least in our terms in the UK. Take the dumbest of the Tories (and that's really saying something), it's no coincidence so many want to leave the EU. And that's because the EU opposes their worst instincts on a lot of levels, from basic human rights and decency to extremely dodgy global trade deals.

It's like the house of Lords or the monarchy in that in theory it doesn't belong at all, but have you seen what happens when our own politicians just do what they like unchecked? These are people who would sell their granny on the basis she wasn't earning anything and they could make 2p profit. Many are purely about what they can get away with, bordering on if not sociopathic. They always need to be watched by someone.

the longer the referendum is delayed it will only create a larger out vote as more illegals will enter the EU
therefore more trouble and problems (smile)

if the referendum is cancelled, for whatever reason, i expect UKIP to win the next election ...

please note.
i don't care how we leave the EU up to and including a major european war.

Worktime limits, parental leave, a lot of environmental policies, anti descrimination laws come from EU directives.
I can't imagine the British government implementing any of these if not forced.


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most of this including working hours/breaks/days of/holidays etc was already in place under British employment law
this wouldn't change leaving the EU as most of are laws went along with British employment law

the biggest difference would be WE would have the final say. not brussels
trading with the eu as many do but are not members of the eu seem to be doing just fine

the sticking point is open borders and illegals and not having the final say in OUR courts ...

We would have absolutely no say. The government would get friendly with the big corporations and the normal working people would get shafted as usual.

why do you think they are trying to destroy the unions, for this very reason
but when British companies enact eu law there is no recourse to British courts. this must be remedied.

example.
eu under WT regs stated everyone has min 28 days hol
British employers just added bank hols to the hol entitlement making the number up
under British employment law holiday entitlement did not include BHs

the only way to appeal this is via the EU courts, sadly this was not upheld

but under British employment law it would never have happened
as eu law supersedes British law (at this time) ...

ps. don't get me started on working time directives and OPT out.

We got one of these through the letter box the other day from the lot who want us to stay in, but with the polarity reversed. Basically, this is the biggest “oh no it isn’t ”oh yes it is” exchange in British Pantomime. It’s boring and tiresome already. It’s basically trotted out on every edition of Question Time.

No one, and I mean NO ONE on either side has yet answered the question “how do you know?’ to any of these claims. It’s partly because there is NO WAY to know if the claims are true, or are just fairytales made up by the various marketing divisions of each side to ensure that their audience gets the message. It’s also because it’s far, far easier to campaign on this level than it is to campaign on one that requires judgement, critical thinking, or even researching the claims individually. That’s when people start asking the problematic questions which can”t easily be answered.

So, read this article. It’s how Lynton Crosby ran the Tory campaign in the last general election.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_tw


So what’s happening with the little charts like this is that they play into your fears and reinforce them, and provide a solution. There’s probably a call to action as well, just to make sure you know what to do. It’s advertising, not campaigning. There was a lot of this kind of thing going on during the election campaign. Little targeted bite-sized messages designed to pique the minds of those they target, and also designed to be journalist friendly.

So, I think we can discount the panto script and move on.

please do but i bring to your attention a bigger pantomime its called cameron trying to get a 'NEW' deal. now that is a pantomime ...

Do you ever read your posts back before posting MRS, or at least double check they don't make you look like a completely heartless bastard / psychopath?