http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu- ... m-36219612

So there.

i have every believe we are voting out of the EU and when that happens others will follow ...

I think that very much depends on what happens to the UK if we do vote out.

Virtually regardless of the economic argument that the Brexit camp spout about it being in the rEU's interest to keep trading with us they have to realise that if the UK leaves but basically gets to pick and choose the bits it likes then the entire EU project is, as you say doomed and it will fall apart.
I somehow doubt they will be too keen to let that happen so IMHO the most likely outcome is that any deal the UK manages to strike will have to be massively worse than we have being in.

I won't be surprised if they try to hammer the UK flat in retaliation regardless of the economic argument to ensure the rEU stays in line.
At the very least, any trade deal we strike post-exit I suspect will include (non-negotiable) the free movement of EU citizens to/from the UK and a hefty membership fee (which won't include a rebate of any sort).

But you know, that's the sort of uncertainty that makes this all so exciting.

uncertainty no. anybody heard of WTO trading rules. UK 1 EU 0.
let the EU come down and play ...

David Cameron calls for political courage to seal TTIP deal | Business | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... trade-deal

You can totally trust Dave on the NHS issue, it won't be like the last few months when he put kids education on the first steps to privatisation, or did the same with the NHS. Or the rail network. Or... Look, why don't we just let him get back to sucking Obama's winkle, alright?

If you believed some reports I’ve seen today, this will be the next government leaflet we’ll all be getting after we leave the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_and_Survive

I feel that both sides are clutching at straws, and the arguments are getting more and more circular as it goes along. Neither side has created an argument that grabs the imagination of anyone but those who can hear the dog whistle.

I’m still waiting to hear of the wider implications of leaving, as well as what the projected impact os leaving will be and how we will mitigate those issues. I truly think that those who want is to leave are so keen on the idea of “pulling up the drawbridge” that they have given no thought whatsoever to, or refuse to even consider, anything else.

It won’t be a bed of roses if we leave. There should be honesty about which thorns we won’t be able to avoid as well as those that we can and what will be done to minimise any damage done. This is something the Leave Campaign must address. It‘s disingenuous to continue without addressing that. I’ll be voting to remain as, so far, there’s nothing to convince me that we’ll be better off outside the EU.

It's telling that the pro camp haven't apparently learned much from the Scottish Referendum - all they seem to be banging on about is the dire consequences of leaving rather than saying anything positive about doing so.
Both sides are just locked in a pantomime tit for tat slagging match.

I got a message that I can register to vote... Tried, but it needs my passport number and NI number - the latter of which I haven't used for nearly 15 years, so I couldn't register this morning - I was at work and only had my passport with me (legal requirement).

WTF? I thought the idea of living in the Schengen area was unrestricted travel between member states? Kinda pointless if it's a legal requirement to carry your passport everywhere.

Compulsory in France too to carry a form of ID at all time


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It is a legal requirement to have an Ausweis (ID card) or for non-German citizens some other form of identification, either the ID card from your country or a passport.

Iain Duncan Smith: EU favours 'haves over the have-nots'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36252295

IDS clearly using Nigel Farage’s copy of “Dog Whistling for Beginners”. He’s also been blithering on about social justice and the adverse effects the EU may have on the poor. Like he cared about any of that when he was in charge of welfare.

Well you obviously can't have the EU interfering in the implementation of Tory social injustice now can you?
To a certain extent he's not wrong - the EU generally favours market forces (at the expense of the state amongst other things) and trickle down economics has been shown to work really well recently

Brexit would prompt stock market and house price crash, says IMF | Business | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... dum-brexit

Cue the standard "oh no it won't" "oh yes it will" exchange.

This isn't a debate. It's ping-ping.