Our indigenous population is shrinking - it’s not producing as many new people to replace those who are dying. That means that the working portion of the population will also be shrinking - and that’s the chunk of the population that pays the most tax. Those taxes go to services, such the NHS, welfare, such as pensions.

if we put the brakes on immigration, and send anyone with a funny name home, as you appear to suggest, we’ll be reducing the tax receipts to the point where we will start to implode. This country just won’t be worth living in any more. You’ll have the 1970s brain drain all over again.

Robert Peston reports that HMRC’s findings on immigrants and tax:

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/730735383886073856
I expect that direct taxation, and doesn’t include VAT, fuel duty, prescription charges etc. etc..

So, we’re making a profit off their labour. If we sent them all home, or severely reduce their abilities to enter the UK and work, then that’s £2.5 billion lost every year. That money will have to be made up somehow. Can you think of ways that we can cover that loss?

Well, we’ll have more public services cut. If you’re angry about your local library shutting now, imagine your anger when the one that’s suddenly become local (even if it is in the next town) closes. The Tories love cutting public sector funds, so that’s a no-brainer. It’ll happen.

We’ll see a raise in taxes too - anything from VAT (already controversial), maybe your income tax will go up - I expect we’ll have the income tax bands re-jigged to ensure that more people in the lower pay brackets pay taxes. Fuel tax will no doubt be hiked too - so the cost of running a car goes up. Interest rates will be kept low to try to stimulate the economy, but we’ve seen that’s not always successful.

All of a sudden, we’re looking at a picture where we NEED an awful lot of people aged somewhere between 18 and 50 to keep the economy churning. If we can’t get own own people to produce them, then we HAVE to import them. The problem here being that we need people of that age NOW, not in 18 years’ time, and those people need to be able to cover as many of the jobs as possible, and that includes a lot of low paid unskilled work.

Just hope that when you’re in your dotage, sitting in a puddle of your own excrement, that the immigration policy of the government of the time affords the workforce the capacity to have a care worker there to wipe your arse.

you describe a ponzi scheme based on people and a ever increasing population to pay for services by unlimited numbers of immigrates which in turn requires more services and then require even greater numbers of immigration and so on.

so we agree to disagree. we will wait until after the 23rd and see the result ...

Rupert Murdoch’s newspapers in two minds over EU referendum | Media | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/j ... -sun-times

Apparently the Mail on Sunday is recommending voting to remain.

Which has surprised everyone.

Be interested to see how Boris will be able to dismiss this one. After all DM readers are his core audience. The DM and MoS have different editorial teams, but the political lines are usually much the same.

Brexit fears spark surge in UK lawyers applying to work in Ireland | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... in-ireland

Bloody lawyers, coming over here...

I thought it was the Express that was leading the Leave charge?

Mind you, I pay so little attention to the tabloids these days - I'm only going by the headlines roundup posted on the beeb website.

Except that the statement was, that they are putting more into the system than they are currently taking out of it...

John Oliver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0CNP3oMiQI

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36573959

And that’s the thing - we still don’t know what the plan is after the vote. And we don”t know because the people who want to leave don“t know. And they don’t know because they’ve spent their time coming up with trite little slogans and dubious statistics instead of giving us a clear picture of Britain Post Brexit.

[LIFTED] Derby City Council
I found out today that they'd accidentally deleted my proxy vote off their system, which is why my wife hasn't had a letter saying she can vote for me in the referendum.
Thankfully as it was their mistake (They had my paperwork on file) they're correcting it so she can still vote for me. Good job I phoned to ask where the letter was. Any later and I wouldn't have been able to vote.

strange as no one knew she was part of the leave campaign ...

Well, obviously, we should decide on who has the best self-publicists not who has the best ideas about how to make the best future for us.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8

Or... Senior Tory decides leave campaign too racist for comfort. Decides to support Remain.